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[๐๐๐'๐ฐ] โ๐ฌ๐ด ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐๐ณ๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ก ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ฃ๐ข๐ข? (((โญ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ@๐ ๐ฑ!!๐๐ข~๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ถโ๏ธ๐))) ย ๐๐ข๐ฐ, ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฐ ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ ๐ถ. ๐๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ก๐ฆ๐๐ฉ ๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐๐ฐ๐จ ๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ฎ๐ฒ๐ฆ๐ ๐จ๐ฉ๐ถ. โ๐ฌ๐ด๐ข๐ณ๐ข๐ฏ, ๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ฏ๐ข ๐ช๐๐ถ ๐๐ข ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ฃ๐ข๐ข $25 ๐ฑ๐ฌ $45, ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฐ ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ก๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ซ๐ก๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ถ๐ญ๐ข ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค. โ๐ฌ๐ด ๐ก๐ฌ โ ๐๐ข๐ฑ โ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ฃ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ช ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ? ๐๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฎ๐ฒ๐ข๐ฐ๐ฑ ๐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐๐ถ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข ๐ญ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ๐ช ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ'๐ฐ ๐ด๐ข๐๐ฐ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ข ๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐ก๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ถ ๐ ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐๐ ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฌ๐ช๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฏ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ ๐ข ๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐ฐ. ๐๐ข๐ฐ, ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ฑ๐ถ๐ญ๐ฆ๐ ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ถ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ณ๐ข ๐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ข๐ก ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฑ๐ข๐ฉ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ค๐ฅ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ, ๐ก๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ซ๐ก๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ข๐ฏ๐ช๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฐ๐ข๐ฏ๐ณ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ ๐ถ ๐ฆ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ข. ๐๐ฌ๐ข๐ฐ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ฆ๐ฃ ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ? ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ก๐ข๐ฐ ๐ 24-๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ ๐ถ, ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฌ๐ด๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐๐ถ ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ข ๐๐ฑ ๐๐ ๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ซ 24 ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ญ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐ข ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ณ๐ข ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก, ๐ฏ๐ข๐ค๐๐ฏ๐ก๐ฉ๐ข๐ฐ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฃ๐๐ฏ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ถ๐ญ๐ข. ๐๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ ๐ถ ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ก๐ข๐ฐ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ข๐ต๐ฆ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ถ ๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ด๐ฅ๐ฌ ๐ซ๐ข๐ข๐ก ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ช๐๐จ๐ข ๐ฉ๐๐ฐ๐ฑ-๐ช๐ฆ๐ซ๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ข ๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ฑ๐ฏ๐๐ณ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ญ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ฐ. โญ๐๐ซ โ ๐ค๐ข๐ฑ ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ฃ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ช ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ? ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ 24-๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ ๐ถ, ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฌ๐ด๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค๐ฐ ๐๐ถ ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ข ๐๐ฑ ๐ ๐ ๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐///๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ณ๐ข ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ซ 24 ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ช๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฐ๐ข๐ฏ๐ณ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ. โญ๐๐ซ โ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ช๐ถ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ค๐ข๐ฑ ๐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก? ๐๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ซ 24 ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ญ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐ข: โ๐ฃ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ก๐๐ฑ๐ข ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ฑ๐ฏ๐๐ณ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ฆ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ฐ๐ฆ๐ก๐ข 7 ๐ก๐๐ถ๐ฐ (168 ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ), ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ ๐จ๐ข๐ฑ๐ฐ ๐ช๐๐ถ ๐๐ข ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ข๐ก ๐๐ถ ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ข ๐๐ฑ ๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ฒ๐ญ ๐ฑ๐ฌ 24 ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฃ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ช ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ช๐ข ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ญ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐ข. ๐๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ฃ๐ข๐ข ๐๐ญ๐ญ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฐ. ๐๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฎ๐ฒ๐ข๐ฐ๐ฑ ๐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ ๐๐๐ซ๐๐ค๐ข ๐ช๐ถ ๐ ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ญ๐๐ค๐ข ๐๐ถ ๐ฉ๐ฌ๐ค๐ค๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐๐ถ ๐๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ญ๐ฐ. ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ก๐ข๐ฐ ๐ 24-๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ ๐ถ, ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฌ๐ด๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐๐ถ ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ข ๐๐ฑ ๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐๐ ๐ ๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ซ 24 ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ญ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐ข ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ณ๐ข ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก, ๐ฏ๐ข๐ค๐๐ฏ๐ก๐ฉ๐ข๐ฐ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฃ๐๐ฏ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ถ๐ญ๐ข. ๐๐ฌ๐ข๐ฐ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก? ๐๐ข๐ฐ, ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ก๐ฌ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก๐ฐ ๐๐ถ ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ข ๐๐ฑ ๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฆ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ถ ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ก๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฐ ๐ณ๐๐ฏ๐ถ ๐ก๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ซ๐ก๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ณ๐ข๐ฏ๐๐ฉ ๐ฃ๐๐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ๐ฏ๐ฐ, ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ ๐ฉ๐ฒ๐ก๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฃ๐๐ฏ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ถ๐ญ๐ข, ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ข, ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ฐ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ. ๐๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ช๐๐ถ ๐๐ข ๐ข๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ข๐ก ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ฆ๐ฃ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ถ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ซ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฌ๐ด๐ข๐ก ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ช๐ข๐ฃ๐ฏ๐๐ช๐ข ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ช๐ข๐ข๐ฑ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ก ๐ฆ๐ซ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ' ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ ๐ถ. ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ' 24-โ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ โ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ ๐ถ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ก๐ข๐ฐ ๐ 24-๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ ๐ถ, ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฌ๐ด๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐๐ถ ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ข ๐๐ฑ ๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ** ใ๏ผ๏ผ๏ผ๏ผ๏ผ๏ผ๏ผ๏ผ๏ผ๏ผ๏ผ๏ผ๏ผ๏ผใ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ซ 24 ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ญ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐ข ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ณ๐ข ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก, ๐ฏ๐ข๐ค๐๐ฏ๐ก๐ฉ๐ข๐ฐ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฃ๐๐ฏ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ถ๐ญ๐ข. ๐๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ ๐ถ ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ก๐ข๐ฐ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ข๐ต๐ฆ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ถ ๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ด๐ฅ๐ฌ ๐ซ๐ข๐ข๐ก ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ช๐๐จ๐ข ๐ฉ๐๐ฐ๐ฑ-๐ช๐ฆ๐ซ๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ข ๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ฑ๐ฏ๐๐ณ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ญ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ฐ. โ๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฏ๐ข ๐ ๐ด๐๐ถ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ? ๐๐ข๐ฐ, ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ ๐๐ถ ๐ ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐๐ ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ' ๐ ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฌ๐ช๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฏ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ ๐ข ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข ๐๐ฑ +๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ.๐๐ฉ๐ฑ๐ข๐ฏ๐ซ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ข๐ฉ๐ถ, ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ช๐๐ซ๐๐ค๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ค๐ฅ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ' ๐ด๐ข๐๐ฐ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ข ๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐ช๐ฌ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ข ๐๐ญ๐ญ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐๐ฑ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ ๐ข๐ฐ๐ฐ. ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ' 24-โ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ โญ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ ๐ถ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ' 24-๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ ๐ถ ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฌ๐ด๐ฐ ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐๐ถ ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ข ๐๐ฑ ๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ** ๐ ๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ซ 24 ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ญ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐ข ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ณ๐ข ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก, ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ก๐ข๐ก ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ด๐๐ฐ ๐ช๐๐ก๐ข ๐๐ฑ ๐ฉ๐ข๐๐ฐ๐ฑ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ณ๐ข๐ซ ๐ก๐๐ถ๐ฐ ๐๐ข๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฐ๐ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ก๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ข๐ก ๐ก๐ข๐ญ๐๐ฏ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ข ๐ก๐๐ฑ๐ข. ๐๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ฑ๐๐จ๐ข ๐๐ก๐ณ๐๐ซ๐ฑ๐๐ค๐ข ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ ๐ถ ๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐ค๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ฑ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ข๐ต๐ฆ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ถ ๐ฆ๐ซ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ฑ๐ฏ๐๐ณ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ญ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ฐ. ๐๐ฌ ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ฅ๐๐ณ๐ข 24 ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ? ๐๐ข๐ฐ, ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ก๐ข๐ฐ ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ ๐ 24-๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ซ๐ก๐ฌ๐ด ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ณ๐ข ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐๐ถ ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ข ๐๐ฑ ๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ค๐๐ฏ๐ก๐ฉ๐ข๐ฐ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฃ๐๐ฏ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ถ๐ญ๐ข. ๐๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ฐ ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฌ๐ด๐ฐ ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ช๐๐จ๐ข ๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ฑ๐ฏ๐๐ณ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฏ๐๐ฏ๐ถ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ซ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฃ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ฑ 24 ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐๐ซ๐ถ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ฃ๐ข๐ข๐ฐ. โ๐ฌ๐ด ๐ก๐ฌ โ ๐ค๐ข๐ฑ ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ฃ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ช ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ? ๐๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐๐ฑ๐๐ฆ๐ซ ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ฃ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ช ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ, ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐๐ถ ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ข ๐๐ฑ ๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ซ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฌ๐ด๐ข๐ก ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ช๐ข๐ฃ๐ฏ๐๐ช๐ข ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ช๐ข๐ข๐ฑ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฆ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ถ ๐ ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ก ๐ฆ๐ซ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ' ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ ๐ถ. ๐๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐๐ ๐ฑ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ' ๐ ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฌ๐ช๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฏ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ ๐ข ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข ๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐ช๐๐ซ๐๐ค๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐๐ฑ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ ๐ข๐ฐ๐ฐ. โ๐ฌ๐ด ๐ ๐๐ซ โ ๐ฑ๐๐ฉ๐จ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ฉ ๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ? ๐๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ญ๐ข๐๐จ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ ๐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ฉ ๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ, ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐๐ ๐ฑ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฌ๐ช๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฏ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ ๐ข ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข ๐๐ฑ +๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐๐ฏ๐๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ก ๐ฏ๐ข๐ญ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ฑ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ข๐ฐ ๐๐ฏ๐ข ๐๐ณ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ๐๐๐ฉ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฆ๐ฐ๐ฑ ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ ๐ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ก๐ข ๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ค๐ข ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฒ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฐ, ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ ๐ฉ๐ฒ๐ก๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก๐ฐ, ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฐ, ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ค๐ข๐ซ๐ข๐ฏ๐๐ฉ ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฆ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข. ๐๐ฅ๐ถ ๐ก๐ฌ๐ข๐ฐ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ๐ฐ? โญ๐๐ซ ๐ด๐ข ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ ๐จ๐ข๐ฑ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ซ 24 ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ? ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ช๐๐ถ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ๐ฐ ๐ก๐ฒ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ณ๐๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ฐ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฐ, ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ ๐ฉ๐ฒ๐ก๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ ๐ฉ๐ข๐ช๐ข๐ซ๐ฑ ๐ด๐ข๐๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฏ, ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ ๐ฏ๐๐ฃ๐ฑ ๐ช๐๐ฆ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ข๐ซ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข ๐ฆ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ข๐ฐ, ๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐ฉ ๐ ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฏ๐๐ฆ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฐ. (๐๐ฆ๐๐ฉ +๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐จ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ด ๐ช๐ฌ๐ฏ๐ข) .๐๐๐ฃ๐ข๐ฑ๐ถ ๐ฆ๐ฐ ๐๐ฉ๐ด๐๐ถ๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ถ, ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ช๐๐ถ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ซ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ด๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ-๐๐ข๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ด ๐ช๐ข๐ช๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ. โ๐โ ๐๐ฑ๐ข๐ญ๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ โญ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐๐ข๐ฑ โ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ซ ๐ ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐๐ ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ' ๐ ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฌ๐ช๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฏ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ ๐ข ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข ๐๐ฑ ๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฌ๐ด ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข โ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ข๐ฏ๐๐ ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ข ๐๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ ๐ข โ๐ข๐ฐ๐ญ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฐ๐ข (โ๐โ) ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ช๐ญ๐ฑ๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ซ๐๐ณ๐ฆ๐ค๐๐ฑ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ ๐ข๐ฐ๐ฐ. โญ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฐ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐๐ญ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐๐ฑ๐ข ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฎ๐ฒ๐ข๐ฐ๐ฑ ๐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก, ๐ข๐ซ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ ๐ฐ๐ช๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฑ๐ฅ ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ฆ๐ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ซ๐ฑ ๐ข๐ต๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ข๐ซ๐ ๐ข. ๐๐ฉ๐ฑ๐ข๐ฏ๐ซ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ข ๐๐ข๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ก๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ โญ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ โ๐ซ ๐๐ก๐ก๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐๐ ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ' ๐ ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฌ๐ช๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฏ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ ๐ข ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข, ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ช๐๐ซ๐๐ค๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ค๐ฅ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ' ๐ด๐ข๐๐ฐ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ข ๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐ช๐ฌ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ข ๐๐ญ๐ญ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ. ๐๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ฐ ๐ ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ณ๐ข๐ซ๐ฆ๐ข๐ซ๐ฑ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฌ๐ด๐ฐ ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐๐ฑ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ ๐ข๐ฐ๐ฐ ๐๐ฑ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ณ๐ข๐ซ๐ฆ๐ข๐ซ๐ ๐ข. ๐๐๐๐ฐ: โ๐ฌ๐ด ๐ฉ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ค ๐ก๐ฌ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ฆ๐ฑ ๐ฑ๐๐จ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ณ๐ข ๐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ฃ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ช ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ? โ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ ๐ข๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ช๐ข๐ฐ ๐ช๐๐ถ ๐ณ๐๐ฏ๐ถ ๐ก๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ซ๐ก๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ญ๐๐ถ๐ช๐ข๐ซ๐ฑ ๐ช๐ข๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ก ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ณ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฒ๐ช๐ข ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฎ๐ฒ๐ข๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฐ. ๐๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐ฐ๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐ฆ๐ฃ๐ฆ๐ ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฒ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฐ ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฐ, ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐๐ ๐ฑ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ' ๐ ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฌ๐ช๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฏ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ ๐ข ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข ๐๐ฑ +๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฆ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข. ๐๐ฏ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฏ๐ข ๐๐ซ๐ถ ๐ฃ๐ข๐ข๐ฐ ๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ? ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ช๐๐ถ ๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฏ๐ค๐ข ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ฃ๐ข๐ข๐ฐ ๐ก๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ซ๐ก๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฃ๐๐ฏ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ถ๐ญ๐ข ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ช๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ. ๐๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐๐ฏ๐ข ๐ข๐ซ๐ ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐๐ค๐ข๐ก ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ณ๐ฆ๐ข๐ด ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ' ๐ฃ๐๐ฏ๐ข ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ข๐ฐ ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฐ ๐๐ข๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ๐ข ๐ช๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐๐ซ๐ถ ๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค. โญ๐๐ซ โ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ช๐ถ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ค๐ข๐ฑ ๐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก? ๐๐ข๐ฐ, ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ. ๐๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ค๐ข๐ฑ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐๐ถ ๐ก๐ฆ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐๐ซ ๐๐ข๐ซ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ข ๐ซ๐ฒ๐ช๐๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฑ +๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ โ๐ฃ ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ซ 24 ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐๐ฑ ๐ฉ๐ข๐๐ฐ๐ฑ ๐ฑ๐ด๐ฌ ๐ก๐๐ถ๐ฐ ๐๐ข๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ๐ข ๐ก๐ข๐ญ๐๐ฏ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ข, ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ'๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ค๐ข๐ฑ ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก. ๐๐ฌ๐ข๐ฐ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก? ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ' 24-๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ ๐ถ ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฌ๐ด๐ฐ ๐ญ๐๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ข๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐๐ถ ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ข ๐๐ฑ +๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ซ 24 ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ญ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐ข ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ณ๐ข ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก, ๐ญ๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ก๐ข๐ก ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐ด๐๐ฐ ๐ช๐๐ก๐ข ๐๐ฑ ๐ฉ๐ข๐๐ฐ๐ฑ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ณ๐ข๐ซ ๐ก๐๐ถ๐ฐ ๐๐ข๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ข ๐ฐ๐ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ก๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ข๐ก ๐ก๐ข๐ญ๐๐ฏ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ข ๐ก๐๐ฑ๐ข. โ๐ฌ๐ด ๐ฑ๐ฌ ๐๐ณ๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ก ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐ฃ๐ข๐ข? ๐๐ข๐ฐ, ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ด๐๐ถ๐ฐ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ. โ๐ฃ ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ซ 24 ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐๐ฑ ๐ฉ๐ข๐๐ฐ๐ฑ ๐ฑ๐ด๐ฌ ๐ก๐๐ถ๐ฐ ๐๐ข๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ๐ข ๐ก๐ข๐ญ๐๐ฏ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ข ๐๐ถ ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ข ๐๐ฑ +๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ'๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ค๐ข๐ฑ ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก. ๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก๐๐๐ฉ๐ข ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ ๐จ๐ข๐ฑ๐ฐ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐๐ข ๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ซ๐ค๐ข๐ก ๐ฌ๐ฏ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ข๐ก ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ ๐ฃ๐ข๐ข, ๐๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ'๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ณ๐ข ๐ ๐ฑ๐ฏ๐๐ณ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ก๐ฆ๐ฑ. โญ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ ๐ฉ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฆ๐ฌ๐ซ ๐๐ข๐ฐ, ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ ๐๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ข๐ฐ ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฅ๐ฑ ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ ๐จ๐ข๐ฑ. ๐๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ ๐๐ซ ๐ค๐ข๐ฑ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก ๐๐ถ ๐ก๐ฆ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐๐ซ ๐๐ข๐ซ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ซ๐ข ๐ซ๐ฒ๐ช๐๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ฑ +๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ ๐โ +๐๐๐ญ-๐ด๐ฑ๐ฑ-๐ด๐ฏ๐ด-๐ฐ๐ด๐ด๐ฎ. โ๐ฃ ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฉ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ซ 24 ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ค ๐๐ซ๐ก ๐๐ฑ ๐ฉ๐ข๐๐ฐ๐ฑ ๐ฑ๐ด๐ฌ ๐ก๐๐ถ๐ฐ ๐๐ข๐ฃ๐ฌ๐ฏ๐ข ๐ก๐ข๐ญ๐๐ฏ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ข, ๐ถ๐ฌ๐ฒ'๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ค๐ข๐ฑ ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ซ๐ก. -
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