icuneko Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 < Maybe I should just ignore the people who like me, go off into the Everglades, and put a 9mm hollow point through my brain? Which is the most effective? Forehead, temple or up through the roof of my mouth? Anybody want to photograph the event?> Al, I for one find this a bit disturbing considering your usual sunny, mellowed Hippite (that's a form of ex-hippie), S. Floridian self. It may have been frustrated tongue-in-cheek humor. I surely hope so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 <b>Al</b> couldn't stand it once when a thread on Edward Weston was posted here, because he felt it had no relationship whatsoever to Leica photography. To him, the fact that <b>Weston</b> knew how to make great photographs apparently had no relevence for people trying to make good photographs with a Leica. No relevance or relationship at all. None. Nada.......Zilch.......<b>black hole.</b><p> Still, he seems <b>dumbfounded</b> that some of us complain about the fact that he thinks what he did in the <b>'60's</b> in the back of a <b>VW bus</b> is <b>pertinent discussion here.</b> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuk_vuksanovic Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 <i>"Others might say show me just one shot made with a Leica that couldnt be made with any other 35mm camera..."</I?--Peter A <br><br> i think you missed a bit of what i said. it is definitely possible, <b>lens quality aside</b> (see below), to take any leica (rangefinder) picture with another camera, but it's also a lot more idfficult to do so, IMO. one thing i won't back down on, however, is that if leica glass is not in front, you will be missing something--mind you, that "something" may be trivial to most, and i can certainly understand why, but it is not trivial to me. the pictures i take are mainly for me. <br><br> vuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Vuk, I assume you think Picasso and van Gogh couldn't draw either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuk_vuksanovic Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 ray. <br><br> picasso could draw better than just about any grand master. van gogh was a depressive tosser, but i have to admit being moved by the self-portrait hanging in chicago. <br><br> i also think your "profile" pic on photonet, which is a very symbolic profile, would have been a masterpiece if shot a <b>slightly</b> different way (not being sacrcastic at all). <br><br> vuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 van gogh a tosser? Well I think that about says it then. What profile pic? The pic of me with my sisters was taken by my mom when I was 6 or 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_ochan Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Probably the biggest irony is that most of the people here who are open to the positive qualities of digital are also the people who I'd put my money on to be able to use a Leica and Tri-x meaningfully, and, for that matter, go into a wet darkroom and knock out a beautifully balanced fiber based print. I doubt that there's a single member of the lens cap and bokeh brigade who's a truly competent photographer (using any medium). Leicas are nice cameras, but let's be honest the glory days for Leica are well and truly over. Maybe this forum is coming to the end of its useful days just like the company that inspired it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesrani Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Al, if it's not just a cry for help, then through the roof of the mouth is definitely the way to go. But it seems like an excessive reaction! About the Kap'n Al thing: this forum - maybe all forums - has a tendency to focus on certain individuals and elevate them beyond their deserved status as photographers every once in a while. It was my turn once, it was Mike Dixon's, it has been grant's and no doubt there'll be someone else after Al. Al got a T-shirt out of it, Mike got a 75 mm summilux as I recall. Soon enough there'll be a new photo hero to take the brunt of the forum's need to find a figurehead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 <i>van gogh a tosser? Well I think that about says it then.</i><p> Worth repeating... Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuk_vuksanovic Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 in all fairness (and in reply to some private e-mail), i confess i left out one other option in my critique of grant's well-composed photos: 5) cropping your original framing to 5% of the original vuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Is this jealousy week? I didn't realize it was here already. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_ochan Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 "through the roof of the mouth is definitely way to go" We're all anatomically different, for a significant minority between the buttocks is the way to go...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claudia__ Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 maybe italics should be a no-no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael s. Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Pete -- Just a sec. In your formulation, if I were to ask a fellow forumer to refrain from swearing, sexism, racism, etc., and he [or she -:) ] were to respond with a vulgarity directed at me, then *I'm* responsible for "goading?" Nah. This form of communication isn't much faster than Morse Code. You gotta type it, then submit it, then confirm it. You mean to say that in all those steps there's no opportunity for one to regain his composure? I just don't buy it. I've spoken out against the deletion (you know that), but this "devil made me do it" argument you're making here just doesn't hold up. I do agree with Pete on the camera-selection-and-detection issue. If you believe the rangefinder is best for X, or the slr is best for Y, or the digital is best for Z, and you have one with you, great -- then use it. But I do think it's a terrible waste of time and energy to attempt to impose that orthodoxy on anyone else or attempt to restrict posted photos in that fashion. Finally, Pete, don't try to run any of that "uneducated buffoon" routine past us here. It won't fly: >>>>>> Peter A Photo.net Patron, aug 10, 2003; 09:13 a.m. Leanne the only person I have ever called a genius was one of my supervising professors for my doctorate - he was and is...but thats another story LOL..I am just into photogrpahy on this site. >>>>>> Mistaken you are. Buffoon you are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 "5) cropping your original framing to 5% of the original" You see Vuk, it's this senseless dribble that does no good. Just posting a negative comment for no reason at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 What Jeff said... www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuk_vuksanovic Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 <i>"What profile pic? The pic of me with my sisters was taken by my mom when I was 6 or 7."</i>--Ray<br><br>even though van gogh was a tosser, i share his passion for art and it compels me to say, in light of the confession, that mom's photography puts your's to shame. sorry, mate!<br><br>vuk.<br><br>p.s. jeff, you don't own a leica but you spend a lot of time being angry in the leica forum. i don't own a nikon and i've never posted in the nikon forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuk_vuksanovic Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 <i>brad-eric-jeff-sycophant</i> <br><br> i was warned of this this, but i wouldn't have believed it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 That's a pretty mean-spirited thing to say Vuk. It's not true of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 There has never been a requirement to own a leica to post in the leica forum. It appears it may end up being that way. Not that that's a plus for photography, here, in general. www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 </i> I meant what you said about Ray's photography Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Vuk, you needn't group me in with anyone. But if can come up an argument about my comment, I'd like to hear it. (You see Vuk, it's this senseless dribble that does no good. Just posting a negative comment for no reason at all.) Was there a point to that? A positive reason to spend the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Funny thing, Vuk has never been to my home and has no idea what I own. Odd that he feels comfortable commenting on what he knows nothing about. I guess that's why he resorts to name-calling. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Vuk, it may be more productive for you to spend more time with your photos rather than trying stir people up here. Just a thought... www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael s. Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 To my knowledge, Vuk, I've never been paired -- or "quarteted" -- with the guys you're taunting, but I'm offended nonetheless. The fact that you've chosen a $10 name rather than a gutter-level slur means you'll avoid being banned (or banned again, as the case may be), but still it's not a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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