paulo_arellano Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 <p>I got a bottle of ilford rapid fixer and would like to make a mix of one gallon of Rapid Fixer mixed with water. How much ml of rapid fixer would i need to make a whole gallon?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_scheitrowsky1 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 What are the instructions for dilution on the container? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulo_arellano Posted October 29, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2011 <p>1+4 for 5 liters but inside the paper where the instructions are says 1+3</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sunley Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 <p>A US gallon is 3.78 liters, an Imperial gallon is 4.54 liters, which gallon?<br /> Are you using it for film or paper? The dilutions are different.<br /> So are the Ilford package sizes, there are at least three retail sizes, which one do you have.<br /> Just mix up what you need, the concentrate keeps just fine for a few months.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 <p>It has no instructions? I mix the bottle or packet to get a gallon. I don't dilute I just use the gallon over and over for about a year...... Now some here will give you the 2 fix bath option but I only develop film these days and the odd paper negative. I have only had one fail in the last 5 years and that was my fault. BTW it was nothing that could not be fixed...</p> <p> So Start with about 3 quarts of water add the fixer concentrate mix well then top off to one gallon.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulo_arellano Posted October 29, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2011 <p>I need a Us Gallon 3.78liters</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sunley Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 <p>The instructions are on a peel off label on the bottle.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulo_arellano Posted October 29, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2011 <p>I have the 1litre bottel of ilford rapid fixer and want to make 1 US Gallon for film and another 1 US Gallon for Paper.<br> The bottle says "Film and Paper Fixer " and underneath it has the 5 Litres (1+4) and 10 Litres (1+9).<br> When i open the instructions it says Ilford PAPER Fixer is a rapid acting fixer...<br> and it says Dillute concentrate 1 + 3 with water.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirteenthumbs Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 <p>1 part concentrate rapid fixer + 4 parts water = 5 parts total working solution.<br> 1 U.S. gallon =128 fl. oz. = 3.785412 liter =3785.5412 ml.<br> 128/5= 25.6.<br> 3785.5412/5= 757.1<br> There are several freeware converters available on line to convert measurements of one type to another if you need one.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sunley Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 <p>You can't, you don't have enough concentrate.</p> <p>How big is your film tank, 500 ml? Just mix up 500 ml for film at 1:4 with 100ml of concentrate and 400 ml of water.<br> You can use 1:9 for paper, so 100ml of concentrate makes 1 liter of paper fixer.</p> <p>See here for Ilfords instructions<br> http://www.ilfordphoto.com/Webfiles/2006130218312091.pdf</p> <p> </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 <p>Make one bottle of stock. Dilute from there if you must. I always used the same for film and paper no dilution.... I poured it back in the bottle after I finished.... Like I said.. never a problem.... and Rapid fixer for paper is to me not worth the extra cost. Just my 40+ years talking though.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulo_arellano Posted October 29, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2011 <p>Can the 1+4 Dillution be used for both film and paper?<br> edit: nvm</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sunley Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 <p>Yes, but once you use some for paper, keep it in a different bottle and DO NOT use that stuff for film. Have two bottles, one for film and one for paper. See Ilfords instruction sheet above.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulo_arellano Posted October 29, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2011 <p>Gotcha. Thanks everyone.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zack_zoll Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 <p>Also, keep in mind that once your film is even partially fixed, it is no longer light sensitive. If you're worried that the fixer is too weak (better to err on that side), you can check your negatives after a few minutes. If they're still mostly opaque, the fixer is too weak and has already been exhausted. Dump it, and add more fixer. If this happens regularly, then use less water the next time you mix it up.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgelfand Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 <p>1) The instructions on the Ilford bottle are wrong. I posted about that back in 2008:<br> <a href="00QIey">http://www.photo.net/black-and-white-photo-film-processing-forum/00QIey</a></p> <p>2) Mix 1+4 for film.</p> <p>3) Mix 1+9 for paper.</p> <p>@Paulo. Unless you need to use 1 gallon all at one, mix only as much as you need. Rapid fix keeps very well as a concentrate; I am not sure how well it keeps after it is mixed.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_waller Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 <p>I dilute it 1+4 for both film and paper. So, for 1 US gallon (3.78 litres) you dilute 760 ml Hypam/Rapid Fixer with water and make it up to up to 1 US gallon.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_cogburn Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 <p>"..Just mix up 500 ml for film at 1:4 with 100ml of concentrate and 400 ml of water.."</p> <p>Remember that the "1+4" nomenclature used by Ilford means "1+4=5 total".</p> <p>Kodak's "1:4" (for example dil. C, HC-110) looks like a ratio, but actually means the same thing as Ilford's "1+4".</p> <p>Kodaks "1:4" is not a ratio—it does not mean concentrate will be one-fourth of the total volume of the working solution.</p> <p>So Ilford's nomenclature is a lot clearer than Kodak's.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_cogburn Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 <p>"..Just mix up 500 ml for film at 1:4 with 100ml of concentrate and 400 ml of water.."</p> <p>Remember that the "1+4" nomenclature used by Ilford means "1+4=5 total".</p> <p>Kodak's "1:4" (for example dil. C, HC-110) looks like a ratio, but actually means the same thing as Ilford's "1+4".</p> <p>Kodaks "1:4" is not a ratio—it does not mean concentrate will be one-fourth of the total volume of the working solution.</p> <p>So Ilford's nomenclature is a lot clearer than Kodak's.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardsperry Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Considering there are ILFORD 1+3 directions, 1+4 directions, and 1+9 directions; can one assume that the actual concentration dilution really doesn't need to be all that exact. Once a negative or print is fixed, it is fixed. And a finite amount of fixer appears to be used up regardless of how much water it is diluted in. What I mean is that if I mix up Fixer at a ratio of 1+6.1232 and fix a print with it, the actual amount of fixer depleted and used in the dilution is the same amount as in a 1+3 dilution. Once a negative or print hits that fixed point, it does not continue to be fixed more by longer fixing times or more concentrated fixer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugene_anikin Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 <p>1+3 is the typo in the instructions. See this thread:<br> http://www.photo.net/black-and-white-photo-film-processing-forum/00QIey</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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