Kant see it?

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by JDMvW, Dec 3, 2020.

  1. You might say photography is a form of therapy similar to Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations.
  2. Ouch!

    I like the idea of a "no imperative" imperative, if and when you like. A voluntary imperative.

    So we can keep our lens caps on, forget to put film or batteries in our cameras, create images that are or are not worth creating and/or seeing, et cetera, just because we feel like it.
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  3. Kant was not terribly in favor of stating the obvious. This is why his categorical imperative was something beyond, "Remember to breathe." He thought, and so did others, it was a pivotal and deep moral founding of being human. "Take your lens cap off" would not have served his purpose, even though he'd recognize it as a good idea for taking pictures.

    He, of course, doesn't say anything about photography, but his aesthetics suggest that, for him, art would involve many similar concerns as morality. Were he to take up photography, my guess would be his imperative would be to show the order of the world and the wonder of nature.
  4. Do you mean ideas that are true no matter what nietzsches they fall into?
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  5. "Concepts without precepts are empty. Precepts without concepts are blind." (from the Prologema ...., I think)
  6. Very punny.
  7. Arthur, can you please elucidate?
  8. Sorry to be an anally exacting picker of nits, but ...
    a) it’s percept (short for perception), not precept
    b) it’s in the intro to The Critique of Pure Reason


    And here’s something cute I found on this particular quote ...
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  9. 1. I hastily thought I was typing 'percepts'.

    2. I deserve a 0 rating.

    3. It's been a long while since I read Kant. Hence, my parenthetical reference.
  10. It's been a long time, but as I remember, Wittgenstein believed that linguistic analysis provided a "therapy" to language and the structures it presents. By extension, photography, IMHO, may provide a "therapy," or analysis, of our visual perception of reality.
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  11. I've been thinking lately about the photographer Lewis Baltz, whose work I increasingly admire. I do think his pictures are, among other things, an example of photography as a "therapy" applied to the visual universe. Put another way, "this could be photography as art criticism," as William Wilson wrote in the Los Angeles Times in 1912.
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  13. "...
    photography, IMHO, may provide a "therapy," or analysis, of our visual perception of reality."

    Good food for thought arthur. Photography offers me a visual means/language to express my perception of realities.
  14. A good therapist asks significant questions. So do many good photographs.

    As importantly, good therapists often guide their patients to alternate perspectives, which is what photos pretty much can’t help but do.

    In both a literal and metaphorical sense, the photos from Abu Ghraib would seem to have been therapeutic. Ironically, many were taken by disordered people in severe need of therapy, not to mention punishment.

    Lewis Hines’s PHOTOS provided social therapy.

    Weston's PEPPER and ESCUSADO not only applied therapy to our visual perception but did so to our experience of reality itself. What is a pepper? What is art? What is a picture of a pepper? How does a picture of a toilet affect how I see a toilet? How does a picture of a toilet differ from a toilet? Is it just a picture of a toilet or is that too limiting a way to look at it?

    The same might be said of photography.
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  15. Does photography have any Categorical imperatives?

    Does "f/8 and be there" count?

    Does photography elevate a crap photograph?

    Just a thought.
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  16. With a endless spouting of banal words?

    Suppose it does.
  17. selfie
  18. "With a endless spouting of banal words?
    selfie" Sam.

    Me too, Sam.

    The good news is we will never walk alone.

  19. "Kant’s brilliance was shaped by a strict mindset" Sam.

    Shallow thoughts, with respect. His journey was a lot about deeper philosophical thought than a simplistic strict mindset. A Baker has a strict mindset as he kneads his dough. .Hello.

    Again folks like to talk fairy tales rather than reading actual historical facts.
  20. Hmmm. You'd think that's the extent of what I said here about Kant and photography. When you set yourself up as the outsider, who knows better than everyone else, who feels entitled to call the conversations of others banal, who feels entitled to quote one phrase of a fellow photographer in order to willfully mischaracterize the thrust of his posts here, then You'll Never Walk Alone might just turn into ...

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