Fuji Acros & Neopan 400 exit / out of production ???

Discussion in 'Black and White' started by alwin_meyer|2, Jan 3, 2010.

  1. I just settled on Acros and Neopan 400 as additions to my favourite films after trying a few developers and exposure indexes (was an Ilford user mostly).
    Now the "pro" supplier in The Hague, The Netherlands where I live is telling me that he does not expect to have Neopan 400 ever again and that he has a strong suspicion that Acros will disappear from the market as well. Allegedly partly based on the rumour of the closure of a production facility in Europe.
    Is there a truth to this rumour or does he simply not feel like stocking Fuji alongside Kodak and Ilford for the relatively small demand?
    Thanks for your answers, 'cause the guy got me worried,
     
  2. "Now the "pro" supplier in The Hague, The Netherlands where I live is telling me that he does not expect to have Neopan 400 ever again and that he has a strong suspicion that Acros will disappear from the market as well."
    Allegedly partly based on the rumour of the closure of a production facility in Europe.

    Is there a truth to this rumour or does he simply not feel like stocking Fuji alongside Kodak and Ilford for the relatively small demand?
    Hopefully it is just a rumour. I didn`t notice anything about discontinuing the B&W films on Fuji`s website.
     
  3. These films are still widely available in the US, with no indications of being discontinued.
     
  4. Fuji has film production in Europe? All the Fujifilm available to me in the US is Made In Japan, even the gray market stuff from Brazil.
    I don't believe your supplier's story. I just checked my usual web sites and I don't see any shortage of those films. The Legacy Pro films (which are rebrands of those Fuji films) are also in stock.
     
  5. Plenty available for shipment to the EU at mailshots.co.uk.
    About €48 for 10(35mm) including the rather hefty fixed airmail postage charge of about €10
    Fujilab.co.uk also ship to europe.
     
  6. The popularity of certain films can be very regional, even localized. Professional photographers go with what they know and get on with the business. Students especially, but also hobby photographers are more swayed by trend, and magazine articles.
     
  7. Thanks alot for your answers. It appears thus to be, hopefully, an isolated rumour from one reluctant store.
    Just for completeness sake the closing factory was according to the guy producing paper. He mentioned it in his story about the films but he only implied that it had to do with the films.
    @ Kevin,
    Fuji b&w films are generally appreciated by the pro/advanced amateur crowd but are considered difficult by some in this country. A film that easily gives very good results with Rodinal is by all means an easy film in my book ;-)
     
  8. No mention of it here , and that's you can see the announcement of the Quickload discontinuance.
     
  9. Have you contacted Fuji? Also the Legacy Pro film being sold in The U.S.A. is Fuji B&W film.
     
  10. I agree with you Alwyn, and hoping for you that there's a better end to the story. Not much fun for me in Norway I'm afraid. Here the trend was forced by a conspiracy between sellers and the small photography press who depend on advertising revenue from those same sellers. I was sick of being told "No one is using film any more". What they meant of course "we don't want anyone to use film anymore " People do as they are told here. But as with many things, I find that there is still a functioning world over the border. So I buy when in London, or elsewhere in Europe. Yes there is still film in Norway, but from very few outlets, and little to choose from.
    In fairness to retailers anywhere in the world, it is difficult to maintain a full range of film to keep us all happy. The profit margin is minimal, and to be stuck with a box that has become a slow mover must be a worry. It takes a lot of work with all fingers on the pulse to make a profit. Making a loss is easy.
    Good luck!
     
  11. This is why the internet makes money for people.
     
  12. I'm with Larry. I love to buy local, but if the seller won't stock or special order what I want, to Hell with them! I'll buy online. I seriously doubt the veracity of what this guy is saying. If Fuji killed those two films they would effectively kill their pro B&W line. ACROS 100 is a great film.
     
  13. Ovious but then we always have to deal with this. I found the best answer always comes from the Owner. I then tend to ask the person or people. My best guess is to ask Fuji and iff it was the old days the dealer that told you that would get a nasty gram. I know this as I used to sell film in the early 70's and we got letters and quicker messages all the time from Kodak.
     
  14. Hi Larry, Are you sure the Legacy film is Fuji? I keep hearing it's all kinds of things, but thought the consensus was it is Kodak.
     
  15. Nope it is Fuji The Arista Premium is Kodak. I know of no Kodak plants in Japan and Legesy Pro is Made in Japan and well look at the development times.
     
  16. Thanks Larry, I'll have another look. Maybe I can get Acros in 100' rolls?
     
  17. Well I know I can so why not you? I am not a 1 world Government person but as long as you can get it shipped reasonably why not .... It is also sols by Digital Truth.. Surprised others are not selling it.
     
  18. Alwin, I get my Fuji films (including Neopan 400) through http://www.fujilab.co.uk/

    They're a lot cheaper than most stores in the Netherlands, and stock pretty much everything (though Neopan Acros in 4x5 recently disappeared).
     
  19. This then maybe a cause for concern ... an omen?
    (though Neopan Acros in 4x5 recently disappeared)​
    ... because just prior to the announcement about Agfapan 25 going, I was asking about APX 100 sheet film, 5x7 in particular. A person at Agfa in Sweden advised me that they had some stock, but would not be getting any more .. words similar to Alwin's opening question. Hmm ...
    Question for someone here who has some processed 'Legacy': Just curious, can you please tell us what the frame numbering is like on the film? Is it identical to that which is packaged 'Fuji' ? In Oslo, a local photo chain with it's own branding, offered 35mm negative film > 'High quality made in Germany'. To me that simply means Agfa. When I got my first roll back, yep, the only difference was the packaging. They sold off a lot of Optima in this way. Crazy really, I hadn't realized until late in the game, and would have bought heaps had I known earlier.
     
  20. Fuji closed their production plant of film in Tilburg, the Netherlands a few years ago. Since then the production was made in Japan again.
    Acros 100 and Neopan 400 (and Neopan 1600) we have in stock in 135-36 and 120 rollfilm in large quantities in Ravenstein, the Netherlands so there is no fear to loose this films. http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl
    Our supply is via Germany because they are cheaper then Fuji Benelux but it's comming from the same (Europe) stock. Buying from UK have bank costs involved and transport costs which are much higher then buying from the main land in Europe.
     
  21. I believe Acros is definitely safe for the time being; When I go to the local Meijer store (large midwest supermarket chain) they will have somewhere between 80-100 rolls of Acros out on the shelf, which is a larger amount than the C41 films they carry. But it's the only B&W film they sell. Getting off topic, they also sell Sensia 100.
     
  22. In response to ACROS being unavailable in 4x5, I just got my Freestyle Catalog in the USA. ACROS 100 is now available in smaller 10 sheet 4x5 boxes. This is good news for us seldom large format shooters...and bodes well for Fuji's Black and white film line.
     
  23. Woow, that is more response than I ever expected; Clearly us film shooters are still alive and kicking albeit with an undertone of concern at times. Thanks to all. I feel more reassured.
    I will check tomorrow with the nicer shop in town where the responsible person (seasoned pro photog) is both very knowledgeable and kind (and an Acros user). He would know any gossip in the world of film. I will keep you informed.
     
  24. Sometimes these rumors is to make you convert yourself to the Digital age so that saleperson can rip you off for a digital entry slr while a used manual film camera can take far superb pictures. So think smart =]
    Personally I used Neopan and I was surprised by the unique look it gives. If someone say Fuji is stopping the Neopan line tell him or her to pinch themselve and ask if they are still sleeping because film is here to stay!
     
  25. I recently went to purchase some Neopan400 120 and found that the USA version was out of stock and the Worldwide variety was discontinued. You can check this out at B&H and Adorama. I purchased 100 rolls of Neopan400 in a panic.
    Gary
     
  26. I recently went to purchase some Neopan400 120 and found that the USA version was out of stock and the Worldwide variety was discontinued. You can check this out at B&H and Adorama. I purchased 100 rolls of Neopan400 in a panic.
    Gary
     
  27. I was hoping to see a response from Ravenstein in Holland, and true to form, it is a helpful one.
    Dank u Robert,
    So now it is even a happier New Year ;-)
     
  28. @ Kevin,
    Robert is a great source for me, especially since I live in Holland.
    @ Gumanow
    Your story makes me wonder though, because my question began because I asked the shop exactly like you about neopan 400 in 120. Then I got the reply, "Don't think we will get it anymore and it wouldn't surprise me if acros will be discontinued as well".
     
  29. Well My friend in Florida that is all she uses along with ACROS. I am still stuck on Tri-X and TMY-2
     
  30. I think I'm the only person who doesn't get good results with ACROS. I seem to get a lot of spots and dust on them versus Ilford, which comes out beautifully clean every time. I may try another minute or so in the fixer.
     
  31. If you get dust on your film, changing fix times won't help. Cleaning your drying room might. I always hang my film to dry in the shower, and let the hot water run for a few minutes before hanging the film out so the humidity is high, which keeps dust away.
     
  32. Be sure to check your Photo Flo solution too. I never re-use it because alage and other "crud" can grow in it and get permanently stuck to your negatives. The only film I've had trouble with dust and spots on is Efke. The emulsion is much softer and can bubble off with extreme temp changes or rough agitation.
     
  33. Why reuse Photo Flo? One bottle is a lifetime supply!
     
  34. Several years ago, I called Fuji Pro Services in California in a panic when both B&H and Adorama had been out of Neopan 400 in both 35mm and 120 for over a month. They were very informative telling me that Neopan 400 was available just about everywhere except for B&H and Adorama. And then Fuji Pro Services explained why. It turned out they were 100% correct and I bought it elsewhere.
    As several had said, do not believe what your dealer tells you. And, most assuredly do not believe what you read on the internet. Ask the people (Fuji) who actually know the correct answer.
     
  35. Thanks again to all for an interesting discussion.
    I spoke with the nice photoshop person in my city, who also writes for magazines and is very knowledgeable in my view. He checked around a bit and did not hear anything about Fuji B&W films being discontinued, nor did any of you.
    So for the moment I consider it a rumour and unpleasant marketing from the other shop who told me about the discontinuation.
    As some indicated, this discussion is another lesson not to believe everything a photoshop / the internet tells you.
     

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