Allen Herbert

"“[…]I cannot imagine, a powerful tool like AI would [has] not pave a legitimate path for creative artists.” +1 " Inoneeye" It is just a computer program little else. It trawls the internet for photographs to add to its database. It is not some form of intelligent entity, just a database, which steals from the web....plagiarism.. The three amigos who inhabit this forum would like you to believe it is a second coming of sorts .Imagination , creativity, is about us. Not from someone's computer programmer.

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"There are days when I find reality itself so distorted that I wish I had a camera or some software that could straighten it" Sam. Nature has given you a special thing what we call a mind. Actually, it is really good at sorting out reality, from fairy land, it does this for your survival.. Cult religions distort reality. Especially, for folks who don't listen to their mind, but need some software or guru to operate as their mind. Sort of sad really.

And this one....

I took this photo. Me. Little old Lady smiling at the news. Methinks we should also smile too.

" think using AI in an integral and meaningful way like this can add some depth to photography" Sam. Really, you need to add depth to your photography by using the latest (fad/hype) computer software. Are you not capable of using your own imagination and skills? I'm sure you are. For for me its about getting out there, and expressing my own Art of Photography, not some silly computer program to do it for me. Or, hold my hand, and create a made up photograph which has little to do with me. A social media tool, and an armchair photographer's tool, to impress their friends. Little else.

I've only had a flick through, but instantly the work of Julia Margaret Cameron struck me.... Something a bit special in her work. A soul seeker.

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https://www.phaidon.com/agenda/photography/articles/2012/november/01/henri-cartier-bresson-a-question-of- Seems to me his colour photography was of a standard with his B/W. And of course he was happy to paint in colour his first love.

“I saw the Angel in the marble and carved until I set him free.”—Michelangelo (purported artist) Sam. He was also a bit of a dab hand with the brush, Sam.. Methinks, you have to give Artistic credit to those who can express their Art, without being restricted to a single medium of Art. Leonardo da Vinci comes to mind. Art comes in all mediums , Cueva de las Manos (Cave of hands) to Aboriginal Art Bark paintings. It is not restricted..

"IMO Bresson excelled as a black and white photographer and was a mediocre color photograph"IMO Why would that be? Methinks, It would more about content than the medium used. Don't you think so? Art has never been about the medium used, its always been about the Art.

"All this is in the past, photography (including fine art) has evolved beyond a bw vs color debate... no barriers. My hope is that there comes a time that i feel as comfortable expressing myself in color as i do in black and white. inoneeye My emphasis, is more about street photography, than general photography. So, I think colour in street photography.... colour, particularly (nuclear colours) is really about the colour rather than the actual content.. Alex Web among others come to mind,. among others. I think colour photography, is very challenging ...a difficult challenge when the emphasis is about the colour over content.

Barry Your first photo. Special.

Old film photo Contax G2

"fine art street photography is a constrained black and white thing". Inoneeye Constrained? Walker Evans once called Colour "Vulger" He also said, to put it simply, B/W were the colours of Photography. " not until print longevity could be assured that colour Photography became a viable attraction" Iononeeye Yet, despite being able to enhance, any faded color prints with todays technology to its original.... Henri Cartier-Bresson print in colour or B/W...what would you choose?

Overall, the global art market was valued at 65.1 billion U.S. dollars in 2021. Facts and figures. Serious business.

"But I won't accept your definition of art as defined by the market", Members Me neither, however the majority of aspiring photographers don't think so. They want their photographs to be published and be commercially excepted. "There’s a lone voice repeating this limited view, without reason. Its limitations won’t change no matter how many times it’s repeated" Sam. There you go again Sam. What have you say other than I'm a lone voice. It its all about for you pleasing the crowd. The first to tie the knot. Lone voices. Paul Cezanne Claude Monet Paul Gaugiun And the list of lone voices goes on and on.

Leica M240 Zeiss 50mm

"you are repeating yourself and you mistake the art market for art. Is it just the American way to value only what makes money. Members. Indeed, not just the American market all markets. The real reality is those who are in the Business of Art decide what is Art. It is a commercial business not any different from selling cell phones or ice cream. Marketing.! Huge profits are made in selling established Art. "innovation is a relatively minor aspect of art and a more recent addition to art definitions" Members Sometimes Art is forced onto different parameters. Indeed, many of what we call the greats were all about innovation. Banksy, is a classic example of Art, which has been forced the establishment to recognize his work as Art...you can equally say the same of many of the masters . I say old chap, a graffiti person smearing walls , with paint. Should be locked up. Then, as a rarity, in Art, the public votes. Going back to my original post is Art about as much about process as Imagination. Indeed, is the process is equally about the imagine. Apologies for the endless paragraphs but I am Dyslexic. Think, eveytime you are writing a sentence ,you are joining 4 rubric cubes together simultaneously Thanks for the photo, Sam. Enjoyed. .

I would hate to make a copper coin out of someone's ill health.

And on this forum we are all about photos.

"Profits gained by pharmaceutical companies are indeed huge" Bill.. What can I say other than it's all about profit. Not about. us.