david_amberson1 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 No just IE. But yes its slow. It opened for me then crashed. .Kaa> I know, but I want to see some that you and I would take at a play with a 85 1.2L at ISO6400 to see what it gives us. You know...a real stress test. We already know what all the other models give at these settings. Would it be alot better or about what we've already seen from the 1Ds. Canon always posts images of "ideal" conditions. I wish I always worked in "ideal" conditions, but more often than not I dont. But just curious if the hype was deserving or if its typical over hype/expectations. Or do we really have some meaningfull improvements? The 50D looked like a good jump...only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g dan mitchell Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 "Maybe there's more to come for Photokina" We hear that every time following Canon announcements. To the best of my knowledge, there generally aren't any additional announcements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamespjones Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Well, in practical terms this looks like more a direct match up with the Sony A900 than any other camera on the market, except for the whole video thing (which is not insignificant). Somehow I think Sony may catch up on the video end eventually though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_langfelder Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Is it just me, or does the landscape (particularly the dry land in the background) look like it's computer generated? The green stuff, whatever it is, lacks any texture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_amberson1 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 I know. Isnt it odd though that the 5D has the potential to produce superior images to the 1Ds. I'm sure you're right, but not totally out of question. We've seen DSLR updates pretty frequently here in the last year. The 40D was barley 1yr old and I was in the process of selling mine due to 1D3 purchase and bang...50D. Know, I may as well keep it. Have a good backup I guess. Now the 1D3 is more than a year old and with all the AF issues behind them and trying to move forward, who's to say they dont toss a little "n" on that baby and finish out Photokina with a bang. Or, maybe just wishfull thinkin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_amberson1 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 My response was to G Dan Mitchell. The heavy traffic makes posting very slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjmeade Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 I'm in love. All I have to do is find the 2.2k GBP. And wait for my arms to heal after my wife breaks them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cresente_ulit Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Response to David's 1st question: Canon tends to put new technologies and features in their consumer/prosumer cameras before their pro line. This gives them an idea of how the new features work in the field so they can tweak/improve before putting on their 1 series cameras. It's just like when the EOS 3 was released in '98 and some of its new features were implemented in the EOS-1V two years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_ferris Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Sorry Landrum I can't agree, Unless you are a Canon Master of Light or work for VII then I don't see how or why anybody would buy a 1DS MkIII. The 5D MkII is plenty rugged enough for 99.9% of users. The 1D MkIII still has a place, at 10 fps and the effect of making your $4,000 300mm f2.8 an effective $6,800 390 (400) mm f2.8. The 1DS MkIII at $8,000 is dead, very interested to watch the auction values of these once the 5D MkII is on the shelves. Not slagging anybody off just interesting the way progress pushes on so fast. When I first went digital I was reluctant, I wanted my 1VHS's in digital form, the key points were full frame and 10fps with a similar resolution to the film I was using at comparable ISO's. Well just a few short years later and we are very nearly there, the ISO is there (to all intents and purposes) the resolution is there at 20+MP, again in practical terms, now if we get the build of the 1 series at FF (1DS MkIII) and 10fps (1D MkIII) we are there. I would pay $8,000 for that, and probably will in April! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
._kaa Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Keep in mind that with 3.9 FPS and less than wonderful AF system, it's not a camera a sports shooter would buy... Kaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_ferris Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 .Kaa few of them are using the 1DS either: at 5fps and excellent AF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike dixon Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 I was planning to wait another year or so before upgrading from my current 5D, but the Mk.2 looks so good, I don't know if I'll be able to restrain myself. If it was over $3000, it would be easier to wait, but at $2700, I may be getting myself a very nice Christmas present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quenched Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Any ideas on release date? (or did i miss something?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_littleboy__tokyo__ja Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 "As to "real photos", keep in mind that this camera looks to be diffraction-limited above f/8 or so. And at f/2.8 you're mostly looking at your lens' shortcomings, instead of the sensor's." The old 5D is fine at f/16, and the 5DII will be fine at f/11. That moves the hyperfocal distance for a 20mm lens from 1 meter at f/16 to 2 meters at f/11. That is a significant consideration for landscape types. At f/4.0 and wider, one sees softness with the old 5D, so that's just the way things work. At the same print size, the 5DII should provide _slightly_ sharper images with the same lens at the funky f stops, but only slightly (this is because system MTF is a product of component MTFs). Again, lenses being funky at or near wide open isn't news, so it shouldn't be seen as a big deal. More generally, the more resolution one wants, the harder one has to work to get it (better lenses, more optimal f stops, heavier tripod); you don't get better images for free. So, yes, the 5DII will be harder to use than the 5D if one wants the 28% improved linear resolution its pixel count implies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_amberson1 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 >To Peter Langfelder[[is it just me, or does the landscape (particularly the dry land in the background) look like it's computer generated? The green stuff, whatever it is, lacks any texture.]] It moss. It never has texture in photos because its so fine and the wide shot is so far away. To get any texture you'd need to have a Macro and be 2" away from it. Its normal. The images look as good as any for the scene/conditions. The real images produced once the review guys get them will tell the story. Not the ones who shoot test charts, but ones who go into challenging enviornments to see what the camera gives. Remember when Sigma came out with its 14mp Foveon crap. All the images they showed from it looked like they came from a Phase One MF. And probably did. Once real photographers grabbed hold of these things and jumped into real world photography they found the images looked no better than old Canon 10D stuff. But Sigma did a good job at putting the camera in position to shine long enough to post samples of what it "might" do if everything was perfect. So far, they look pretty promising though, and a little lower in price than most thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 I was planning to wait another year or so before upgrading from my current 5D, but the Mk.2 looks so good, I don't know if I'll be able to restrain myself. If it was over $3000, it would be easier to wait, but at $2700, I may be getting myself a very nice Christmas present. Well you have a very nice Xmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yinkamd Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Where is Bob Atkins when you need him? Would have loved to have heard his comments. Guess he is asleep in the US, and missed all the action:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yakim_peled1 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 For me, the D700 looks a lot more interesting. I have more or less accepted the fact that in the near future I will be playing it both ways. I hear it's more fun this way.... :-) Happy shooting, Yakim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjoseph7 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 All I got todo is get a sticker that says Mark II and I'm good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvasilescu Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 ...and i was thinking to turn my eyes to nikon.... pfff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain_jack Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 I was waiting for this announcement for the last couple of weeks. Here I come Nikon D700..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leif_goodwin8 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 No Print button. Looks like a downgrade then ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_man Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 My take: If the 5DMkII performs as advertised this will be an excellent and well priced successor to the 5D (and I for one will upgrade from my existing 5D) Canon has moved ahead of SonyNikon in terms of sensor technology (resolution/ISO balance) (other aspects may be arguable) The MP race is heating up, not slowing down. Canon is making an emphatic statement: 21MP is for the midrange, NOT the next flagship. The 1Ds replacement will come soon, and will be 30+ MP, if not 40+. In Canon's view, the just released A900 and presumed equivalent Nikon will be competing at a lower level than Canon's new flagship. SonyNikon has succeeded in forcing Canon to lift their game, but has to get back on the front foot to compete against a resurgent Canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fulvio_pellanda Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Now I remember why I chose Canon :) I'm sooo happy that I have to cry! With my 28-300 L IS, that's what I call a walkaround camera! Fux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_ferris Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Yes Mark but at 20+ MP you are working diminishing returns. Diffraction, as has been pointed out, makes f16 and higher pictures less sharp than f11 pictures, there is little point in going to much higher MP's in the 35mm format. The numbers game works in the Best Buy type arena but when you are talking about ultimate image quality then the people in the 1DS market don't care about the numbers they just want the IQ. Canon themselves say the 5D MkII gives the best IQ of any DSLR they make to date, that effectively kills the 1DS MkIII and it makes it seem very over priced at 3 times the money. It will be very interesting to see how this all pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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