jtk Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Waste of bandwidth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 A few clarifications: "Does Marc need the best of the best to shoot weddings? Of course not because the market doesn't demand such high quality when it comes to weddings. By a wide margin, the money shots in weddings are the setup ones." Dave, since I don't market my weddings conventionally, nor do I sell hardly any set-up shots, and a high % of my clients are artists, writers, art directors, designers and illustrators with extremely high quality expectations ... you are incorrect on every point. You may well be correct in the generalization that I do not represent the majority of the professional wedding market ... which is in decline at the lower and middle levels due to digital "consumerzation". "Douglas on the other hand knows what he needs to get a certain image, and has stuck with that for a long time." Absolutely true and accurate ... for Doug who specializes in wildlife work. I'm more diversified... shoot weddings with a Canon digital system for color, and a M system for B&W. If you knew anything at all about that business you'd know it is essential to have at least 2 of everything. Also shoot commercial work for national accounts which require MF digital capture ( updated Hassey system which I've used for 20 years)... or a view camera for tilts and shifts. Not my requirements, but the requirements of the jobs at hand. You and others seem to me to have a myopic view of the vast diversity under the umbrella called photography ... where some specialize and others diversify.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 My wedding style is "Romantic Photojournalism" and I select the gear to assist in that candid mission. This shot made from 40 yards away, cropped and made into a 16X20 print ... the compressed web file just doesn't convey the 3D quality apparent in the print.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhooru Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Isn't hurling a Canadian sport? Nice Renee (as I flush my beer down the jacks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhooru Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Pete, your perspective that must come from looking up at us, is spot on. Sounds exactly like one of my photo teachers, a great commercial photographer. He'd big on process and finding the photo and then taking a photo from being a good photo to making it a great photo. (BTW,I'm open to any advice along the way). There's still great photos to be made in walking around, if you can see them and have the skill to get what you want in a reletively uncontrolled enviornment. I like Magnum style photography, I also like Avedon, La Chapelle etc. Regardless, if you don't develope the skills to get what you want, the lens signiture won't matter much now will it. Also believe, and I think Marc demonstrated this well, that it is more at the commercial and fine art level that these lens choices began to come into meaningful play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted November 30, 2005 Author Share Posted November 30, 2005 Well, with all of that, I think I may have been moved, or at least impressed by Marc's work at some time, but I guess I'll have to settle for "well crafted" from him on this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Phenominal thread. Some really nice shots, especially from Doug, Trevor and Marc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Kent, your 2nd photo, that's the killer shot on the whole thread. Damn that's great... First one's nice as well, but the eye contact on the second keeps you looking. www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Ray, thanks for the entertainment. I don't think one can see how the photos are affected with different lenses unless one wants to...in short. At the end of the day, it's not important anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_lo_..._t_o Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Ray you're a tough nut to crack. Marc and Doug, who have unimpeachable and well deserved respect on this forum, show you differentiations in lens signatures and all you can do is throw the words "well crafted" and "craftsmanship" at them by way of acknowledgement of what they have shown you. Probably way too late to bring this up but I'm gonna try anyway Both our own "Ian", and a fellow named Nigel Nagarajan-who I "met" through this forum, have posted some brilliant, luminous, glowing pictures of people--South Asian people in both cases--taken with Canon EOS equipment. There definitely seems to be--on my screen- a unique "glow" in these pics. Anyone still around who cares to comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william_todd_faulk Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Peter, many thanks for your truly entertaining and laughable post <i><b>'Peter A; Prolific Poster, nov 30, 2005; 05:51 p.m.'</b></i>. Without question the most amusement I have witnessed in this forum since the Al Kaplan vs Edmo debacle. If it is meant in jest then your sarcasm shines, if you are utterly serious about this then your ignorance bewilders. <p> Interestingly you praise Vogue a part of the publishing industry whose <i><b>'tools'</b></i> include Adobe software products for everything from comps and layouts to imaging and produced <i><b>'hacks'</b></I> using Macs and not PC's as you say. <p> While yet on the other hand you scoff Magnum who use the likes of Jim Megargee and Brian Young for their analog printing needs. <p> Speaking of Young and Megargee it should also be noted that they are the <I><b>'end means'</b></I> in the <I><b>'ttotal workflow'</b></I> for the likes of such <I><b>'fluke artists'</b></I> as Gene Richards, Chris Anderson, Larry Towell, Bruce Davidson, Andrew Gottlieb, Susan Meiselas, James Nacthwey, Eli Reed, Gordon Parks, Clifford Ross, Uimonen Ilkka , David Turnley, Shelby Lee Adams, Leonard Freed, Cornell Capa to name a few. <p> <I><b>'stop staring at Magnum site every day and pinning for the nostalgia of the 50's most of you people are so stuck in the past...'</i></b> <p> Naturally you must be referring to Majoli, D'Agata, Parke and their contemporaries, all born too late to partake in being <I><b>'stuck in the past'</b></I>. <p> Sincerely,<br> WTF<br> <p> ps: As far as what Marc Williams is doing, anyone capable of setting a 28mm lens to f8 and holding the camera in one hand while a flash in the other is capable of producing the same look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted November 30, 2005 Author Share Posted November 30, 2005 I'll go for Kent's first shot, I think it's a classic. Actually, would love to have a print of it, so I could, uh.... check out the lens signature on that puppy. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 <I>Ray you're a tough nut to crack. Marc and Doug, who have unimpeachable...</I><P> Ray has made special note of Doug's photos, several times. Such as:<BR><P> <I>Beauties, Doug. For someone at your level of craftsmanship, I can see how your equipment choices may make a subtle difference.</I> www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 by the time you shot through f8, souped, dodged and burned and toned, you probably still can see the first letter of the signature.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 and the lens in question probably won't give a dam* what you think of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 if you want signature, sign on the lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 A real shame grant and edmo couldn't join in. www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william_todd_faulk Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Peter, my sincerest apology for it appears that even I am guilty of living in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beau 1664876222 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 "Heh, aint this fun? The gang's all here just like the old days.. ;)" Awww, I'm hurt you'd say that when I'm not here ;( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_kaplan1 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Peter, Edmo is a really talented photographer with lots of fans. I haven't seen any recently posted work of his. Check the archives. Al is an enigma, but some people seem to like him for some odd reason or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_lo_..._t_o Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Brad I still say that the statement by Ray that you have quoted is somewhat begrudging. Clearly his question has been answered and I don't see a clear acknowledgement. It's been a wonderful thread though and I thank him for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhooru Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 All very cozy now. it seems the blind side on the Leica forum is dying out..yawn, thanx RAy it did turn out to stir up some juice..good job.. I Like Kent's 2nd, 1st is ok, but the 2nd is special. Out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john sypal Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Stuart Richardson has <a href="http://www.stuartrichardson.com/cuwo.htm">this kind of thing </a> on his website for those who might be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 <a href=" http://www.flickr.com/groups/street_corner/pool/show/">Here they are</a> doing just fine without us...Set the timer on the slider to < the five seconds they set as a default or you'll have a b-day watching them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 i'll remind ya why it posted it...to show Barry that he's not the only one with a gaggle of sirens. amazing how similiar they look.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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