EricM Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Perhaps it's Dave, and anyone else that thinks likewise, that should go wander off and find the appropriate place on the net that he desires instead of trying to mold this forum into something it's not and never will be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maria_s. Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Hey David, I'm surprised you didn't hear about Leica F3HP model? It's been a custom made babe, only few examples exist and all in private collections. Let me know if you're interested cause I might go digital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_hall1 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I'm all for them, Tony, <b>as long as they are truly, justly and universally enforced from now on</b>. Hope they won't again be merely words (or arbitrarily applied to only some threads, topics or members) like many other published "rules" of this forum quoted in the earlier ADMIN thread about profanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david j.lee Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 well,i have a few questions,but it is almost 02:30, so i will only ask the most important one: will we see the pancake bunny now and then...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nee_sung Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Tony I'm sure you have deliberated very thoroughly before posting these guidelines and most of the comments here have probably crossed your mind at one time or another. I only wish to say that I fully support your guidelines without amendment. Thank you for making this place enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abufletcher Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Tony, I do respect all the work you and other do to maintain our little corner of Photo.net but keep in mind that online moderation has been compared to "cat-herding." It is not easily done and the stricter one is the further away the cats wander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam_portera Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Tony I too fully support your guidelines and thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Dave, did you even read Tony's points? ""What is Leica Photography" is also great, but it shouldn't deteriorate into a "Leica v. Digital" thing, either." The first post you make is; "I come to this forum so I can see other Leica users photos, not some cheapo digital camera photos." Now look what you've done. This thread has to go becasue... "Threads that are silly or just plain stupid will be deleted." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abufletcher Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Dave, I hate to tell you this but there simply IS no look. It you spent $3000+ dollars for a look, you're fooling yourself. But then maybe it would have been a good photos had I used a Leica 28 instead of a Voigtlander 28. I do belief that rangefinder cameras "can" aid in learning to see the world differently. However, I also believe that once the way is learned one can do with with any camera -- and the RF path is by no means the only path. BTW, I do love my Leica but just can't see any difference between the photos I make with it and the photos I made with my D70.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abufletcher Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 And just so you don't have to be guessing that photo is with the D70 with a Nikkor 24/2 manual focus lens (wide open of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam_portera Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Distracting foreground bokeh Donald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 "I think the title of the Forum explains itself quite well." then why are you venturing off topic? go somewhere else for your Leica only content, facist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank granovski Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 ADMIN/moderator threads and Leica demise threads are the most popular here. Amazing! Now who is that dealer, mentioned on the Hezar RF thread, that is selling new Hexar RF bodies for $600 USD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abufletcher Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Sam, I tend to agree. I had just bought the lens and did a test shot during dinner. I'm still undecided on the quality of this lens. But then it does open up a range of photos that I could never have made with a lens with a smaller maximum aperture. And more importantly using a manual lens like this (which doesn't allow metering) on my D70 forces me (allows me) to shoot in a more rangefinder manner. And if that's not relevant to this forum then I'm definitely in the wrong place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_ochan Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 "What's a facist?" I think it's a reference to that guy who put Al's face on the t-shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abufletcher Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 BTW, to put the shoe on the other foot, Dave, what if someone began lobbying here (as some might prefer) to define the type of photography done here as "manual only" and that because you shoot with an AE M7 your photos should properly be excluded? Many of the Leica purists here do, in fact, feel like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runkel Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 In my opinion this is silly and there should if anything be less involvement by moderators. What is wrong with threads that resemble actual conversations, rambling from time to time or even devolving, rarely, into debates, arguments, etc.? Isn't that part of what makes a community? Why not allow the antidote to "bad speech" be more speech? It's tiresome to see so much hand-wringing over the imagined sensibilities of whatever delicate flowers are supposed to be harmed and offended by goings-on in an <i>internet forum</i>. Moreover, the technology for searching archived content will only improve. Who is to say what will be important to those searching this forum in the future? Why should information be excluded from the future searchable universe based on ad hoc judgments made in the present by even the best and wisest handful of moderators? <p> If we want to start enforcing rules that have been around for a while, here's an instructive passage found by clicking the "Subscribe!" link below: <i>"But people who have been using the site frequently over the course of several weeks, and who can afford it, are expected to upgrade their 'Trial/Guest' membership to a Subscription membership. For frequent visitors who can afford it, subscriptions are not optional, but they are on the honor system: each person is trusted to decide for himself when his access has become frequent enough and whether he can afford it. As guidelines, you should consider subscribing if you are visiting the site more often than once per week on the average, and if your disposable income is sufficient for you to purchase photography equipment, film and processing, books and magazines, internet access, etc. In other words, if you have a photography budget at all, and you are visiting photo.net regularly, the site should be part of your budget, the same as any other photography expense."</i> <p> Should we begin deleting postings by those who continute to ignore the plain language of the above passage? If so, perhaps we could start by deleting their opinions about forum content. I'm not convinced they have standing to express such opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_ochan Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 "Leicas....the price of new ones is way beyond the reach of most younger photographers. We need a way to allow these people to join us that fits their budget!" Al, I see where you're coming from but I can't agree. If younger photographers just cut down on the drink, drugs, and fast living then they could easily find the deposit for an a la carte MP. Let's keep it clean round here, let's keep it Leica....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abufletcher Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Matthew, ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erin.e Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Oh dear, soon only Dave and a few other obsequious fondler's, plus Herr Kapitan will remain here to collectively to blow hot air up each others .............. in an ultra protected enviroment. One of the best things about this forum was the cross section of types that contributed, with interesting and diverse photographic discourse, Sure some recently committed hari kari for losing the plot in a major way, but without SOME artistic licence. This place could really become just like an Leica old boys camera club meeting and that would be a sad and boring thing. A Leica is only a box to hold a lens after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_ochan Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 "Herr Kapitan" Y'know Erin, I'm getting really sick of you and the other haters taking your cheap pops at Al. Since the overdue departure of Grant things have been really great round here. Why do you want to drag us back into the gutter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summitar Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I'll abide by any of the rules as long as we welcome Jay back to the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abufletcher Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I don't get the anti-Al thing either. The guy has a point of view. So what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank granovski Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Heads up. As I mentioned a couple of times on other threads, photo.net is a great place. It is the best place. Let's keep it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie_cheung Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Let me be clear: I have nothing against Al *but* I rather have interesting OT(photo related or not) threads than photos of Al, coffee with Al, my friend Al, Al's hair, poster boy Al and Al this Al that posts. What's up with that? The *old* LF kicks ass IM*F*HO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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