<p>Sorry, you are right,<br>
I use a 360/5.6 on a 30x40 (12x16) camera on a Sinar shutter, this lense is real huge,<br>
the lenses you mentioned are f=9 and 8,5, so they are much samaller and fit copal 1, copal 3 will be just too large to fit a fotoman camera.<br>
http://www.ground-glass.net/large-format/copal-shutters<br>
copal 1 is M39, copal 3 M61</p>