jukka_tiippana Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 <p>Hi!<br> Could it be selfie, if someone else pressed the button?<br> I mean, you are in the photo which you have composed etc. but someone else did press the button? And is it the same question as the question of real photographer of the photo?<br> -j-</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie H Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 <p>If I set up my camera and I have a cable release that is 1/2 mile long and I unwind it as I walk farther and farther away from my camera, and while I'm walking (and not looking back), some stranger comes up, sets his camera right beside mine and unhitches my cable release and hitches it to <em>his</em> camera which he leaves (taking mine with him) and then departs, and finally when I'm almost at the half-mile limit and ready to turn around and picture myself as a single-pixel (if that) in my selfie, the v-8 diesel-powered cable-release rewinder (did I forget to mention that?), suddenly, and for no good reason, kicks on and starts whipping the cable back to the camera, and since (of course) it happens to get wrapped around my ankle, I am being violently rewound backwards and a very high rate of speed and either I press the button, or the button hits a rock or tree before or maybe after I have died from being rewound at 80 mph ...</p> <p>... could that be a selfie?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drjoder Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 <p>My God, Julie, you need to write a novel or something. I busted a gut. Great imagination.</p> <p>My take: It is still your image...you were the "creative genius" behind it.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palouse Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 <p>Julie, cut back on your coffee, or wait until I've had my first cup! That was awesome! A Sunday sermon that I can believe in :)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukka_tiippana Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 <p>Julie, I send this question to 'ph. of ph.' department but the staff removed it here.<br> Taking photos and philosophize of them are two different things, right?<br> Anyway, it was a good short story.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukka_tiippana Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 <p>... and it would be a selfie, no doubt.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie H Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 <p>Selfies can be made by dead people. Power to the zombies!</p> <p>jukka, one of the twentieth-century's greatest philosophers, Yogi Berra, expressed himself in short stories (one sentence short stories).</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelChang Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 <blockquote> <p><em>"Could it be selfie, if someone else pressed the button?"</em></p> </blockquote> <p>In hockey, the player who puts the puck in the net is credited with the goal; facilitators are credited with an assist. To my knowledge this is the case with every team sport where the goal-credit is not determined by relative contribution. <br> <br> If one were to apply the same rule, a "selfie" can only be credited to the button-pusher providing this individual appears in the photo. I'm embarrassed to be posting this photo to death, but this is her "selfie" even if I significantly facilitated the achievement of it. <br> <br> <img src="http://d6d2h4gfvy8t8.cloudfront.net/3786304-md.jpg" alt="" width="679" height="510" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen_S Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 <p>Agreeing with everybody else above I think we need to make up a new term for the pictures taken by quickly recruited button pushers!<br> I have giggling memories of the times I needed passport pictures. - A first set was taken by a non focusing long roll studio's photographer who missed focusing my 35mm SLR too. A 2nd set in the studio of a small local shop where I bougth my C330, by the apprentice. - I liked my "determined" looks on it. After struggling with the WLF, for what appeared to be 3 minutes, the poor guy asked which button to press...<br> Local health insurance stopped me from recruiting folks for my homeprocessed BW passport stuff by suddenly demanding color files, but I can't wait to torture their office clerk with a M8. Oh and my parents still have a crop out of a - what shall be the new term? - portrait that a late friend took at the wide end of my 28 - 80mm on their cupboard...<br> My worst experience being recruited so far was taking a couples' picture with their WLF 35mm SLR.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Laur Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 <p>A meat-powered remote control device should still be considered a remote control device. At least, from a copyright point of view.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelChang Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 <blockquote> <p><em>"A meat-powered remote control device should still be considered a remote control device. At least, from a copyright point of view."</em></p> </blockquote> <p>Matt, by "remote control device", do you mean to suggest that ownership of the camera responsible for a photo is relevant to the determination of copyright? </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Laur Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 <blockquote> <p>Matt, by "remote control device", do you mean to suggest that ownership of the camera responsible for a photo is relevant to the determination of copyright?</p> </blockquote> <p>No, I meant that setting up the shot and the circumstances, and acting to cause the photo to be taken (whether by handling the equipment yourself, or using some indirect method - whether mechanical, electrical, radio-based, for voice-to-meat related to release the shutter) is relevant to the determination of copyright.<br /><br />For example, let's say we get a new camera that - similar to Microsoft's Kinect system - has the ability to watch the scene and recognize a particular gesture. That gesture could be interpreted as the instruction to release the shutter (or to start a 2-second timer, whatever). From a copyright perspective, I don't see how that's different than having a friend or family member with their finger on your tripod-mounted camera's shutter button waiting for you to give them the very same gesture (a thumbs-up, etc) as the sign to push the button on your behalf.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_k. Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 <p>There were 2 Russian guys who made a baby chimpanzee push a button on camera and stated that resulting photos are made by fore mentioned ape. Things can be tricky. If a surveillance camera produces acclaimed photo/video, who is the author to receive the honors?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelChang Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 <blockquote> <p><em>"If a surveillance camera produces acclaimed photo/video, who is the author to receive the honors?"</em></p> </blockquote> <p>Like this one from a surveillance camera in Hungary; I imagine credit goes to the building/gear owner. <br> <a href="http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2009/pets/migration/000945877.jpg">http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2009/pets/migration/000945877.jpg</a></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lex_jenkins Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 <p>Without getting too pedantic or trying to formalize a delightfully informal style of communication through photography, to me a selfie must be done by the photographer physically controlling the camera and choosing the moment to make the exposure. It's mostly about spontaneity and informality.</p> <p>Given the specific conditions Jukka described, it could still be a selfie if the photographer is holding the camera in both hands (or in his/her only hand, if the other is missing or otherwise unavailable), and someone else mashes the shutter release button or taps the virtual button on the screen.</p> <p>Similarly, Stephen Hawking could take a selfie with someone else holding the camera that he could control via his electronic assistants. He seems to enjoy being included in selfies and group shots taken by other folks, or at least he graciously endures it.</p> <p>It's probably better described as a self portrait when it gets much more involved than that. If it involves tripods, remote controls, directing another person to assist in making the photograph, etc., it's more of a self portrait.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now