nathangardner Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 <blockquote> <p>The 7D was basically a flop</p> </blockquote> <p>I don't want to speak for Harry, but I would imagine he meant the appearance of the 7D II was a flop.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwin_lai Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 <p>How can the 7d be a flop when it outsells its competition in that class of cameras? It is still the top dog in the pro-sumer compact cropped body. Nikon has yet to match nor beat it yet after 3 years. Where art though D400?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_j2 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 <p>Ken Papai:</p> <blockquote> <p>even a G11 for $400.</p> </blockquote> <p>I used to own the G10 and G11. Get the G12 instead. It's fallen in price to around $425 CAN. I have had the G12 since November 2010 and it is usually the first camera I grab when travelling or when the DSLR and lens is a bit much to carry. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric_duncan3 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 <p>Andres,<br> I have both a 50D and a 7D, and I strongly second Brad's nomination of the 7D. I really like the 50D, but have rarely used it, since buying the 7D just over a year ago.<br> Resolution, viewfinder, high-ISO performance, AF, and overall feel (almost 1-series, with the excellent Canon battery grip), are all superior to the 50D, in my experience. And then of course there is 1080p video, and frame rate choices of 24, 25, 30, and 60 per second.<br> I am not particularly interested in when the 7D MkII will be released. The 7D is that good. <br> The 5D MkIII and Nikon D800 are interesting. And I would love to make the foray into medium-format digital, one day. <br> But the 7D is a great camera, and while everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, I would suspect that anyone who would call it a 'flop' has never used one, or has failed to use it properly.<br> In the words of Yakim, 'Happy shooting!'</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbert Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 <p>I expect the 7DII will be case of a few steps forward and a few steps backwards to fit into the Canon lineup. Like the 60D compared to the 50D. I am guessing it will be full frame, but at a lower frame rate and dumbed down AF.<br> That way Canon will be able to push those that want a fast frame rate and top line AF to the more expensive 5D III, while having a somewhat affordable FF for the amatuer market.<br> You heard it here first.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yog_sothoth Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 <p>The 7D is pretty amazing, but it is up to people to decide if it is $700 better than a 60D. IMHO the viewfinder, AF speed, AF modes, shutter, and the build quality make the 7D worth the money. </p> <p>The t3i currently has the most bang for the buck. Can the OP live with a pentamirror viewfinder? The AF system is not top of the line, but it is good enough for many things. Nobody picks up a plastic rebel with the lousy viewfinder and loud "Tweet!" it makes after every shot and exclaims "Ah this rebel is an amazing piece of engineering!" but the pictures are very nice. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjoseph7 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 <p>Why do I call the 7D a flop. It's not that I don't like the camera, I mean I own one and I love the pictures it takes, the way it handles and the robust feeling in my hands. The 7D was the camera that I have been waiting for a long time. So as soon as I got some money ala Tax refund check, I purchased one.<br> Now I have been on this forum since Canon EOS-3 days and I can tell you that the 7D has not received the same accolades as that of the EOS-3. Has not even come close to the 20D, 5Dc not even the 40D. I remember people posting their pictures and proudly saying I shot this with my 5Dc or whatever. it has been virtually silent with the 7D not only on this forum but on other forums as well. The 7D was supposed to outshine the 5D II but that camera spawned and entire industry(Video). <br> No harm intended, there are allot of nice features on the 7D but most are so complicated that you would have to spend a couple of months in jail to learn them all. I mean does anybody really have the time to sift through tons and tons of options, I don't.</p> <p>It's not only that it's the little things such as an LCD playback that is not really 3 inches. Big black ugly focusing points, unexplicable error 30 and error 40 's. Outrageously expensive battery and Canon still hasn't got the shutter thing right. </p> <p> </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike dixon Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 "The 7D was supposed to outshine the 5D II but that camera spawned and entire industry(Video)." Wow, the video industry sure is pervasive considering it's only three years old. "I mean does anybody really have the time to sift through tons and tons of options, I don't." It's a matter of priorities. Some people would consider figuring out their camera's functions to be a higher priority than writing nonsense on web forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yog_sothoth Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 <p>Too many people have full frame fetish syndrome (FFFS) for the 7D to get much love. Other people's FFFS problems don't make the 7D's images any less good. I blame FFFS for the discontinuation of the amazing Sigma 50-150 2.8 and the Tokina 50-135 2.8 lenses. I also blame FFFS for the lack of EF-S L lenses.</p> <p>Programming the 7D joystick to swap AF points on the fly with no other button pushing is pretty slick. </p> <p>The 20D is very inferior compared to the 7D. A mediocre viewfinder, a very loud shutter/mirror slam, and lousy menu driven mirror lock up mechanism were not endearing qualities. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markonestudios Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 <blockquote> <p>Now I have been on this forum since Canon EOS-3 days and I can tell you that the 7D has not received the same accolades as that of the EOS-3. Has not even come close to the 20D, 5Dc not even the 40D.</p> </blockquote> <p>Perhaps because people were too busy out shooting with their 7Ds to even think about spending a minute on a web forum? ;-)</p> <p>Either way, the 7D cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, be considered a flop...</p> <p>To the OP: I own a 5D Mark II. Last week bought a 60D for a friend and have been putting it through its paces the entire week. I would say it is more than a worthy successor to your 50D. Fast AF, great IQ and a host of useful features. Most of all, it produces pretty clean files. Overall, a great photography tool. If my mind wasn't set on a 7D to pair with my 5D2, I would seriously consider getting a 60D for myself...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randallfarhy Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 <p>7D target crowd-Sports/action and wildlife.<br> 5D/5D2/ frame target crowd-Portraits/candids/street/Wedding/landscape/macro/nature and non-action wildlife. Full Frame Video which compliments a braoder range of lenses. <br> Extrapolate this to forum participation on this website (and others) and I think it will be clear why it would seem people are more enthusiastic about their broader use full-frame cameras than something tuned for a specific market.<br> Prior to the release of the 5D, wern't full frame cameras in the realm of the high end pro-bodies? This would explain why it seems more people were excited about the newest APS-C releases to that point.<br> I can't speak for others, but when it comes to something as complicated as the 7D, I've found it best to learn the specific functions that allow the user to tune it to their needs and ignore the rest until a need arises.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesco48 Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 <p>Has Canon ever turned one camera body series from cropped to FF? Like 7D (crop) to 7D II FullFrame?</p> <p>Lots of great info... Thx</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbert Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 <p> The 1 series had a mix of crop bodies and FF. The 7D and the 5D are both single digit Canons but different sensor sizes. The G series now sports a bigger sensor than past G series and the 60D was both down and up-specced compared to the 50D, so anything is possible.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yakim_peled1 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 <p>I was just thinking. What if the 7D II will get the same 61 AF point system of the 5D3? Yummy....</p> <p>Happy shooting,<br> Yakim. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_larson1 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 <p>I am thinking that the 61 AF point system on a 7D-II is HIGHLY likely. More likely, in fact, than an improved sensor. . . but that's just me. I wouldn't be overly surprised at a flip out screen.</p> <p>I think you guys are REALLY underestimating the video market for these cameras.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesco48 Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 <p>Fingers crossed for no flip out screen!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopher_ellington Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 <p>I can't see why they'd "Mark II" the 7D vs coming out with an 8D? I'm not that familiar with the Canon sequencing though.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopher_ellington Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 <p>It's hard to consider a camera like the 7D a flop. I think what happens is that any camera that is on that "consumer-pro" line like the Canon 7D (next step up was 5D Mark II at full price) or the Nikon D7000 (next step up was D700 when it was full price) has harsh criticism because they are great cameras at the "right" price, but are just missing that one or two extra bit of features of the full frame cameras. And the next jump up in price is another $1000. It's like if the 7D was full frame, it would be perfect. If the D7000 was full frame in a larger grip body, it would be perfect.</p> <p>I agree with an earlier poster that some of us (definitely not excluding myself), spend A LOT of time reading up and posting about these cameras while many photographers are putting out great work with these cameras whether they are full frame, 15fps, 40,000ISO or not.</p> <p>I read up to learn and post my opinions. But admittedly, instead of worrying about the next hot item 7 months from now, I'm lacking in simply shooting great photos with great composition, lighting, awareness, skill, etc. Yet, I'm still here... :(</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad_trostad Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 <p>The 7D has made Canon a lot of money so why would they mess with it that much? I can't imagine they'll burn up a precious new model number (ie 8D) for a successor to this camera. I've seen some speculation / wishing for a FF version. Yeah, I could see 7Ds-like model but if I was in their Marketing dept the first question I would ask is "How much will it cut into my $3K+ offerings" that people will manage to find a way to buy anyways. </p> <p>A 7DmkII is a perfect place to roll out a newer, slightly higher resolution 1.6x crop sensor which has at least one stop better noise, spec the imager to address video issues (like they did with the 5D3), clean up any audio issues, add 60fps @ 1080p, make a few tweaks to the auto focusing system, dual card slots, updates for OCF integration, etc. Whatever sensor comes out in the 7D would most likely be in the T4i and 70D as well but staggered another couple of months or so (or vice-versa with t$i first).</p> <p>Also, with the 7D's crop imager being so close to the Super35 cinema format - it would seem that they won't want to mess with it too much (ie Full Frame). The video option has made them tons of money - in a down economy no less. Maybe the upcoming April Cinema EOS event will roll out a 7DmkII and a 7D cinema version or a 7DmkII and the first mirrorless 1.6x SLR with EVF. Throw in those new IS primes and demo a short feature made with them on a new crop DSLR or mirrorless and that would be like Canon. </p> <p> </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielleetaylor Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 <p><em>The 7D was basically a flop, I think alot of people are going to opt out for a 5D II or a 5D III if the price ever comes down.</em></p> <p>The 7D is basically the best crop body out there, with pro level features, speed, and a sensor that matches or exceeds the 12 MP FF sensors people like you were probably drooling over just a few short years ago.</p> <p>If that's a flop...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitmstr Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 <p>Get a 60D</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenPapai Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 <p>OK... if wishes were horses or courses...</p> <p>I love my floppy 7D. "Math is hard." - Barbie. (give me a 2 page manual on math... on the 7D...)</p> <p>A 7D mark II dream in reality would be? Already mentioned: NO flipscreen (amateur hour). Increased MP from 18 to 22. One more DR of noise free (say from 800 to 1600). A few more AF points. Maybe dual card slots? Obviously an enhanced dual processor DIGIC. AF for video? I'd love that. AE for video too, I'd love that. Finally: GPS built in.<br /> Anything else? Nope. (also, please, remove the nearly useless popup flash, ick) (Wi-Fi built in is too pie-in-the-sky for Canon)</p> <p>Finally: the 7D is to the 20D (back to the "flop" claimant) what a 2012 BMW 535i is to a 2004 Ford Escort.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopher_ellington Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 <p>I think the flip screen is great. Especially for videographers, but maybe they could take a D800/D800E approach because not everyone wants to pay much extra for the screen. Especially focused photographers who would rather that extra money go towards lenses.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Collins Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 <p><em>"The 7D was basically a flop..."</em></p> <p>It's been a 'flop' that has sold quite well for over 2 1/2 years and is highly regarded. As far as people proudly saying that they shot their pic with the 7D, just look at how many 7Ds there are on Canon Thursday. One of the differences may be that the introduction of new cameras has become less of an exciting novelty and people are looking for cameras that serve specific purposes, rather than buying for the excitement of having a new dslr. I'm still thrilled with my 7D as if it were brand new...although that 5DIII may be in my future at some point.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_larson1 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 <p>Do not remove the flash! I do multiflash; I use the ST-E2. I love flash units. . . .but a popup on the camera itself is a HUGE convienience for "just a pinch of light" in select situations. For me, the pop-up is a huge selling point relative to the full frame cameras.</p> <p>Yes. . .an additional stop of usable ISO would be mandatory, no?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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