Last DSLR Holiday

Discussion in 'Casual Photo Conversations' started by Sandy Vongries, Nov 5, 2020.

  1. In the short term, from what I read, both DSLRs and mirrorless systems have relative strengths and weaknesses when compared against each other. In the longer term , I'm pretty sure that mirrorless systems will be the consumer/prosumer technology that brands will promote and invest in. If was a first-time camera/lens-buyer, I would definitely have a preference for mirrorless systems. Who knows, perhaps pro cameras will also become mirrorless systems as more investments lead to new developments. So a DSLR could - in theory - become a 'classic' digital camera in a few years.

    Personally, I've never experienced any symptoms of GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome). Since 2003, I have owned only 3 digital camera systems: a Canon G5 (compact, fixed lens, 5 MB sensor, 2003?), a Canon 40D (DSLR, crop sensor, 10 MB sensor, 2007) and since about 5 - 6 years ago a second-hand Canon 6D ( DSLR, full-frame sensor, 20 MB sensor, 2012). I've always tried to buy the best 'glass' that I could afford.

    Every now and then I wonder whether I should be thinking of upgrading my 8-year-old 6D to something else .But so far, I've not yet found any reason to do this.

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  2. Surely the mirrorless camera is simply an update and extension of the (D)SLR ethos of getting a preview that's as close as possible to the captured image? I see no real distinction in aim between the two.

    Having accepted that your finished picture is going to be a digital capture; surely it makes utter sense to intercept the digital stream and view it? In as close to its final form as possible.

    That we can now get rid of interposing focussing screens, inaccurate moving mirrors and guesstimated autofocus is a thing to be celebrated surely? Not to mourn their overdue passing.

    The monarch is dead. Long live the monarch!
  3. Sandy Vongries

    Sandy Vongries Administrator Staff Member

    Possibly for you, for others, arrant nonsense - in any case you might have missed it, the OP stated
    "If you are not into DSLR anymore, this is not directed your way. If you are, what do you think and what might you buy in your preferred brand for that "Last Dance"?"
  4. Let assume that there are no more new DSLR introduced in the future. Since I use Nikon so it would have to be a Nikon.
    Now I can't buy the D850. The D5 as far as I know no longer available new (I won't buy a used camera for my last holiday). So only the D6 left. If I were to buy one I would wait as long as it takes to get a new one at the lowest price. Dut the D6 is not appealing.
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  5. Sure you can. In fact, currently on sale in the US for $500 off. And there are rumors that there is a successor (D880?) in the pipeline.

    On the other hand, there are fairly strong rumors that Canon has shelved plans to introduce a 5D Mark V to replace the Mark IV (which is still being produced, as far as I know).
  6. Sandy Vongries

    Sandy Vongries Administrator Staff Member

    Must agree - I don't find the D850 appealing, it would be a stretch to justify paying for a D6, and factually many of its special features are of small value to me.
  7. I have of different meaning of can't. Not so much about money wise but I don't want the D850 regardless of how good it is.
  8. I have my "Last Dance" DSLR - the D750 (it is also my first DSLR). It does everything I need and more. Unless it breaks down or is stolen, I do not see myself buying another camera. I also have, and still use, my first digital camera - a Canon PowerShot PRO 1 that was given to me. The only other gear I see purchasing is a longer lens - probably the Tamron 150-600 G2 - if this pandemic is brought under control and I can start visiting some National Parks

    Other than that I still have my F100, Bronica S2a, darkroom set up, and CoolScan V scanner.
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  9. For me my hopeful future upgrades will be:
    • AF-S NIKKOR 70-200/2.8E VR
    • AF-S NIKKOR 24-70/2.8E VR
    • Nikon D850
    All used, just like my recently purchased D500.
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  10. I see my D500, D800, and D810 lasting a long time, and of course I don't see my film cameras stopping any time soon.

    There's a good chance I'll pick up a D850 sooner or later, but I could see that being my last DSLR.

    I'm 32, so it will be interesting to see how long I can still acquire new or good used DSLRs to satisfy me. I may eventually concede to mirrorless, but for now I have no desire to. At the same time, though, when I joined this site in 2006, I couldn't ever see myself having a DSLR...
  11. So you are a growing and changing man.
  12. Pentax put out a memo just recently that they are going to stick to DSLR 's through thick and thin. Although realistically, I don't think they have the resources to go Mirror Less like Canon and Nikon. They are still trying to develop lenses for their Full Frame.
  13. For the Nikon shooters who say the D850 isn't for you-I'm curious as to why. I'm not looking to start a fight, just genuinely curious.

    Do those of you who say that feel the same about the D800/D810?
  14. Sandy Vongries

    Sandy Vongries Administrator Staff Member

    Best friend has an 850, wonderful but the files are pretty big (I know there are ways to downsize them) slows downloading. I already notice the difference between the D750 and D810. I don't use burst or video. and many of the other new features don't add value. Never say never, but if I went in that direction, I'd make the big jump to D6. Really, have no need for D850 or D6 since I can do everything of interest with current gear.
  15. Understand on all of those.

    I don't do video either, and the file size would definitely be a downside for me. With that said, a USB 3.0 reader already grabs the 36mp(~80mb NEF) on a fast CF card in my D800 or D810 fairly fast. My only XQD camera is my D500, and even though the files are smaller, transfers over USB 3.0 are crazy fast. They're certainly not as fast as using a UHS-II card from my Df, though, since the Df files are smaller.

    The appeal of the D850(which I don't have) for me is how much I love the D800 and D810, and it's essentially those made better. From what I've seen, Nikon managed to both increase the resolution and keep noise the same if not better, which to me is a big deal. The frame rate, especially gripped, is high enough that it could replace my D500 when I need an action camera(esp. since the DX crop size is about the same resolution in both cameras), and even though the control layout is somewhat different from the D810 it's also effectively the same as the D500.

    There are enough times that I've been using my D800 or D810 and realized that some of the small touches of the D850 and other current bodies, like the illuminated buttons, would have been really nice to have.

    So, I guess for me it's not about resolution, but about the fact that-to me-it's a refined version of a camera I already love.

    Nikon-and all the manufactures-make multiple cameras though because no one particular one appeals to everyone, so there again I can't fault someone for saying that the D850 isn't for them. As I said, for me I see one in my future because I don't see any real downsides FOR ME. Of course, I'm not you or BeBu or anyone else who isn't interested in a D850.
  16. Well, I didn't say the D850 is not for me - I am just perfectly happy with my D810 and see no reason to upgrade to a D850. In fact, a D850 (or its successor) for me would be the (quite expensive and not quite matching) replacement for a D500 if (a) Nikon does not make them anymore and there's no suitable DSLR successor and (b) there's no suitable mirrorless "replacement" either (and (c) I missed getting one of the last D500 to be sold). I strongly doubt I would replace a D810 with a D850 nowadays - I rather sell off the entire F-mount FX caboodle and move on to mirrorless (currently own Sony and Nikon needs to convince me to come back). I don't mind the file size (can easily add more disk space though the increase in processing time at some point will necessitate a computer upgrade) nor are download times an issue (I am not in such a rush that I can't wait for a memory card download to finish).

    FWIW, I don't see ANY reason for myself to ever want to own a D5 or D6 (unless someone gifts me a 800/5.6).
  17. There again, I'm glad Nikon offers numerous options to suit different preferences. In my mind, in a way, the D850 sort of IS the updated D500, but of course it comes with a slight size and weight penalty as a basic body, and a decent size and weight penalty if you stick a grip on it to lose 1fps.

    Nothing shoots like the single digit bodies, but TBH I'm tempted to pick up a D4 sometime and probably won't go beyond that unless the D5 gets affordable.

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