ADOX CMS 20 Ultra High Resolution Film

J and C Photo are selling a film from ADOX called CMS 20. They claim it is and

"Ultra High Resolution Film". Does any one know anything about this film? What

is it like? Is it similar to anything else on the market? How does it compare?

Is this a potential APX25 replacement or another Copex/Gigbit type film? There

is a special developer for it, but say it can also be developed in Rodinal and

HC-110. Any information, thoughts and experience you might have with this film

would be appreciated. Thanks.

Why don't you ask J&C?

 

If it's this new I would doubt anyone here would know very much about it. I know this is the first I've heard of it.

quote: <i>"Why don't you ask J&C?"</i>

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Becuase I was hoping to get an independent assessment and perspective. A user's experience is quite often more valuable that a salesman's pitch (regardless of of reputable/honest/forthright they might be).

Lotus

 

I have a roll of it and I was going to shoot it tomorrow. I will let you know how it is I was going to use Rodinal with itI also have a roll of Macophot TP64c and Adox CHS 100 ART that need a try.

 

http://www.photo.net/photos/LarryDressler

 

Larry

I've found J&C very helpful and friendly. It wouldn't make sense for him to be a schnook in a shrinking market. Word would get out pretty quick.

 

You should test the film out yourself.

 

I did find that the European Adox site has a lot of information. It looks like a very interesting film.

 

http://www.adox.eu/english/ADOX_Films/ADOX_Films/ADOX_Films/ADOX_CMS_Pictures.html

 

I used to shoot Pan-X and Afga-25. To be honest, it requires a certain discipline to shoot successfully in 35mm with slow film.

 

Good luck, Mr. Lotus.

Thanks, Jack. I just want ot be clear. I have no problems or issues with J and C. They are a fine outlet for photographic materials -- and I will ask them. But as with most of the questions in this forum, you could always ask you favorite retails for information/advice/ suggestions. Sometimes however, you want to go beyond that and hear what your peers and fellow users think, find out what their real-life experience has been with these products. I believe (and I think most of the users of the forum might agree) that you get more information and different insights here than you might get from your retailers, not matter how good the retailer is), and (sometimes after separating out the wheat from the chaff) this information and insight are quite valuable.

 

I have no problem using slow film in 35mm or 120 formats. (Actually, I be really interested -- if this film is a good as they suggest -- if they made it available in 120 rolls.)

 

Larry, thanks. I will look forward to hearing what you think of it after using it.

It's an ortho micro film in combination with a new SPUR developer. Suitable for high resolution photography:

 

http://www.spur-photo.com/dat_ort_ure.pdf

 

The R&D dpt. of Zeiss tested it a few months ago with a claim for over 400ln/mm together with one of their new lenses.(

Biogon T* 2,8/25 )

Don't waste your time with Zeiss's claims - they are useless.

 

http://imx.nl/photosite/technical/highres.html

 

If you're going to shoot a document film in this day and age then ImageLink w/ SPUR is a far better choice.

 

I've horsed around with Agfa Copex and Gigabit enough to know it's pretty grainy for a document film and you are going to have real problems if you try to develop anything other than a somewhat underexposed negative. ImageLink is much better behaved - but not enough so that I will forsake normal pictorial films in its favor.

quote: <i>"If you're going to shoot a document film in this day and age then ImageLink w/ SPUR is a far better choice."</i>

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Have you compared ImageLink w/ SPUR with the new ADOX CMS 20? What leads you to say that? Is it merely because Zeiss has made a claim about the lens using this film, or do you actually have disappointing results using this film?

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As for the legitamacy of Zeiss' claim, I perhaps more incline to believe the results of a team of some of the best optical scientists with many decades of experience working with all the best possible equipment, over some fanatic working out of his basement (not to mention with a consistent anti-Zeiss bias in his writings). I will further note that Mr. Putz did not even include test the ADOX CMS 20 film that Zeiss actually used in their measurement and make no comment about it.

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ImageLink w/ SPUR might be a good film too, but this new CMS 20 film is noticably cheaper (by almost 40%) so a comparision between the 2 would be useful. If you've done a comparision that might support your statement, I hope you will be able to post some supporting comparative images here. Thanks.

Here's a pretty thorough user's report: http://www.apug.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28621

 

According to him, it's panchromatic, not ortho.

Does anyone have developing info for CMS 20 in XTOL?

 

Thanks

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<p>This is a blast from the past.9 years old and counting.</p>

<p>Adox CMS 20 is just repackaged Agfa Copex Rapid AHU microffilm</p>

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<p>Adox CMS 20 is just repackaged Agfa Copex Rapid AHU microffilm</p>

 

 

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I was just yesterday looking to see who in Belgium made Sears film.

 

It seems complicated as to who makes which film named Agfa and Adox.

 

But I am always interested in trying something different.

 

XTOL - stock solution. 25C (or 76 F)

Pour into the developing tank, start timer.

Agitate for 30 seconds.

Stand develop for 3 more minutes. No further agitation

at all.

ie, total time 3.5 minutes. Use a stop bath immediately

after pouring out the developer.

Fix for 1 - 2 minutes.

(More fixing causes the highlights to be degraded)

Use a wetting agent and squeegee off with a plastic

chamois leather. (Never use a real one or it will streak).

Use ASA setting of 15-25

This gives a contrast of gamma 0.75 - 0.8)

The resolution, with 35mm film and a good lens, equals

or surpasses the resolution of 50asa film, such as Plus

X Pan, on medium format.

I have made a very good enlargement 40"x30" with no

perceptible grain, at a normal viewing distance.

Indoor pictures, using a tripod, where the lighting

contrast is very flat, gives results which will greatly

impress.

<p>I think I still have a roll of it in the fridge. years ago I got very decent results using coffee developer. Ian I am going to keep that Xtol recipe in mind TY.</p>

I've used caffenol extensively. It's fun to develop with

household stuff. You can buy food grade 100% pure

caffeine crystals (about $20 for 250gms) and it does a

much better job than instant coffee *BUT* caffenol gives

(IMO) far coarser grain than conventional developers.

Caffenol will tame the contrast but there is a distinct

lack of sharpness. Since CMS is all about squeezing

every last drop of fine grain and sharpness out of a

negative, why not use a developer that facilitates that

aim?

 

Just my 2 cents worth....

 

Ian