Allen Herbert Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Learning to see photographically Learning to see Robert. That's all there is....nothing else.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xavier_dalfort Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 This thread is rather fun.... Travis, according to my tastes, it would go for the Nikon AIS lenses on a Nikon FM3a. As a backup, well, a Rangeginder by Voigtlander but maybe a Bessa R3 with AE. Wait, a M7 with Voigtlander lenses... I'm in favour of the SLR mostly. Let me revendicate my love for the R7 against Jay's opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Ray, painters do talk about technique a fair amount...and any way that equipment relates to that subject would argue that yes, painters talk "gear". You have to know your surfaces and how to apply primer and what not. Techniques for application are always changing. However, I don't think it's nearly as concentrated as with photography where technological changes are more related to the physical act of making a photo. I doubt there are a zillion forums devoted to painting gear like with photography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 The rest is just mechanics....little else.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djl251 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 I would get a 4x5 field camera, now that would be fun. All I want is one good negative. Just one - is that asking too much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yochin Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Travis, that little four mega pixel canon that's supposed to come out in October some time, you know the one that's supposed to be little bigger than a fat cigarette lighter with a fixed lens? That sounds like fun, though a little bit expensive... Ray, I don't think that "serious" artists really care about the gear per se, that is, they don't give a whit about the marketing that's used to distinguish one brand from another. The only thing they really care about is what capabilities that the new equipment's going to give them. For instance, look at what David Hockney did with a cheapo point and shoot camera (meaning, I'm referring to all those series of linked photographs where he took like a hundred or more photographs over a period of time and created one big linked photo collage type piece). He used a piece of crap point and shoot and he made these fabulous collages using one point perspective. Hockney doesn't even consider Photography an art (to him it's a craft in other words). He said that art is something you've got to do with your hands over a long period of time, not with some kind of a machine in a couple of seconds, in other words to him it's not art per se if you don't use your hands to make it and if it doesn't represent a whole bunch of effort over a long period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic_. Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 <B><I>"do you really think learning to see has anything at all to do with a camera?"</B></I><P>I think while most seeing doesn't require a camera, it is important to know what is capable with the use of a camera. For example, on this forum a lot of images have the central subject matter in extreme sharpness, with the rest of the background being out of focus. This is accomplished with a wide open lens. If the same picture was taken at f/16 or f/22, everything would be sharp and it would be a very different picture. So yes, vision is important, but so is the ability to use the medium in question. The camera, in a sense, enhances what the photographer wishes to convey. Otherwise the vision that the photographer has will not be able to be shared with anyone else. I'm sure there are people with great vision wandering around, but who have don't have the proper tools to be able to express themselves; in time their inner music will come out, but a camera makes it easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 it is important to know what is capable with the use of a camera Not really quantum mechanics. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henk Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Any camera or instrument or paint or pen will do for me i think... allthough im a spoiled brat ;)P To quote Duane Michaels: "I am an expressionist and by that I mean I'm not a photographer or a writer or a painter or a tap dancer, but rather someone who expresses himself according to his needs". Is that an answer to your question Travis? Greetings, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 So where are all the online forums with artists talking about equipment? Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Marc, you misunderstood. By "artists" I didn't mean just painters. And actually, though I appreciate your response you weren't really the person I was asking an answer from, it was Grant. Apparently he just leaves the discussion when a question comes up that threatens his argument... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Jeff, according to you no artist ever talks about equipment, is that right? Still wondering too if you still really believe your photographs are created entirely out of your own head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 <b>So where are all the online forums with artists talking about equipment?</b> Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Once a upon a time, not so long ago,Jeff. Well, i told you a little story...about wings. Best let Grant fly on his own, i'm sure he will be alright! There. that's a thought to ponder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_neuthaler Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Bessa L w/21mm 1:4 Color Skopar Hasselblad 500 CM w/ 80mm 1:2.8 Planar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_chananie Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Travis, if you are on an assignment, you need to have more than one working camera body for backup. Perhaps you may require three cameras, one for color negative, one for color positive, and one for b&w. Indeed, you would be well advised to shoot with at least two cameras, even if you use the same film in them, because one might be malfunctioning and you don't know it. It's simply a form of insurance so you can at least bring back something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Almost forgot. D100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Photography Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Any one of the following: Minox IIIs, Minox B, Minox C, Minox TLX, MINOX ML, MINOX GTE, DCC M3 2.1, ROLLEI 35, ROLLEI 35S, CONTAX T2, CONTAX T3, WIRGIN EDIXA 16M, EDIXA 16MB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 <i>Still waiting, waiting.....waiting. <p> No answer?</i><p> Ray, you seem to want to dish it out but not answer. I asked a question and you bring up irrelevancies from another thread.<p> Maybe you should answer your own questions. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 On the other hand, Allen should keep posting. Maybe more than he has been. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carson Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 <p>Jeff Spirer, perhaps you'd like to look at these forums for the answer to your above question; there are plenty of discussions about gear vs. the merits/critiques of art. Really guys, if you don't like the topic, kindly be quiet.<p><a href="http://www.artmetal.com/village/BBS/bbs_forum.cgi?forum=sculpture">http://www.artmetal.com/village/BBS/bbs_forum.cgi?forum=sculpture</a> </p><p><a href="http://www.artmetal.com/village/BBS/bbs_forum.cgi?session=&forum=architectural">http://www.artmetal.com/village/BBS/bbs_forum.cgi?session=&forum=architectural </a></p><p><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fresco/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fresco/</a></p><p><a href="http://artpapa.com/iboard/">http://artpapa.com/iboard/</a></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_m__toronto_ Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 more forums of certain arts. gear is most certainly discussed: cinematography.com a forum for cinematographers. lots of talk about varios cameras and lens performance. not as personable as this site. steadicamforum.com ok, us steadicam guys are gear junkies. lots o' that here. olga.net for the guitar junkies. there's a sound engineer forum out there that i'll have to dig for. there's also a sound recording forum. all about different michs, recorders, mixers...tons o' gear. cheers :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Gee Jeff, this one? Or are you going to tell me that none of the people on this forum even daring to mention gear are artists? Maybe you can just explain to me what lesson Grant thought he needed to teach Travis, who posts as many or more photos than anyone else on this forum??? Do you think Travis isn't interested in pictures? Or that he hasn't heard Grant's viewpoint on this issue before? What's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_m__toronto_ Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 www.cinematography.com www.steadicamforum.com www.olga.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_m__toronto_ Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 uggh, this site is too complicated. how do i make those sites clickable. i just tried using the html setting under the dialogue box. any directions, in lamens terms??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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