michel_vandeput Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Dear Leica friend,I will use a Hasselblad Xpan F 35mm. That's his name in Europe...Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 "Cameras have nothing to do with seeing" -Grant Since I did all my "seeing" well before I ever picked up a camera, I'd have to agree with that. Since I was a little kid trying to copy the works of Allen St. John in my dad's 1930's Tarzan books, to painting huge oils until dawn in my folks basement (thus failing first period high school swimming due to being exhausted), to art school...I never even considered a camera. Later, using a camera just became a sort of "portable creativity" to me...it's just a faster, lazier way of "seeing". In fact, I never really knew how latently lazy I was until I picked up a camera. Probably why I like digital so much...it's an even faster, lazier way of seeing. The painting/3D assemblage above was part of a gallery installation commenting on the prolific and ubiquitous nature of photography. The eyes are lenses, and the mouth is a camera. There was a messy pile of photographs on the floor in front of it.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fg Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Fuji S2 PRO and Nikkor 35/2. Or the Hassy 503CX and an Imacon digital back. I sold all my film-based gear six month after starting my advertising photography business and don't regret it, only keeping the M6+35+75. Cool thread. Funny, lot's of people still using Leicas nowadays. For the same reason I do, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy. Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Travis, I am home and severely jet lagged. So if this thread or anyones that follow doesn't mean any sense to you, then you know why. Even though I have quite an array of cameras to choose from, I find myself always end up picking the M7 and the 35 cron ASPH. But scanning on the road is a problem because no matter how long I go away for, I don't check-in bags; only carry ons, So the second choice is the Sony DSC F717, It's tempting to bring along a 10D, but the heft of the lens and the body...I don't know and I am not sure. Take care pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 BTW, IMO, to many here are all wrapped up in themselves...the chances of their becoming a huge influence in the photographic world are about the same as winning the lotto. Bile ladden comments are ludicrous when you consider just how small this pond is. Also, all the rule makers who have decided that having lots of gear somehow strips you of your talent or ability to see are just that...rule makers. No one ever said, "Marc, you have to many brushes, and Christ, all those paints...you won't ever be a decent painter with all that "gear". Travis, yes there are B&W paintings. Ray... "painting is really about color"...hmmm, someone should have explained that rule to Motherwell, Klein, and all the Japanese Sumi Masters ; -) Oh yeah the original question, no Leica? ...then any one of my HUGE collection of gear will do. I wouldn't have them If I didn't use them...they're just a bucket of brushes and a carton of paints to lazy old me...only more fun to fondle.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manu_vermeiren Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Of course the camera is related with the way you "see" things. I "see" different with a 6x6 then with a 35 mm camera.<br>Equipment IS important. Vision IS important. Developing an eye for photography can't be done without a camera. Developing an eye shouldn't be done only with a camera, I agree. <br>So I believe it's is normal that people who share a hobby talk about the instruments they use. Everyone does it, not only photographers. If I would say to a cyclist: "Hey man, your bike isn't important!", I think the man would think I'm crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin m. Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 This either/or, gear vs. seeing argument is kinda 'stoopid' too. It's a balance of both. I'd bet that Grant is intimately familiar with the capabilities and limitations of whatever digicam he's using, but it takes a bit of fussing with the camera - any camera - to get to that point. You have to know your camera really well before you can forget about it.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gib Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 if plural responses are now legal.... Nikon: F2,FM, FM2, FG, N8008S Pentax: S1A, Spotmatic, SP1000, PZ-1 Rolleicord V, Yashica D, Agfa Record Billy III Voigtlander: Bessa T101, R, Bessamatic Zeiss Ikon: Contaflex, Contina IIa seeing: eyes, brain, heart, gut, mixed with every thing I have ever looked at and imagined I hope everybody has the opportunity today to take a photograph..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_kaplan1 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Travis, I believe it was in the New Bedford, Mass. Public Library where I saw a collection of B&W oil paintings. New Bedford is an old whaling town, the place I was born and spent my youth, and I remember admiring a group of B&W paintings of whaling scenes. I was old enough to look closely at them and asure myself that they were indeed oil paintings! Let's not forget about all the other B&W artists who work in pencil, charcoal, or pen & ink, or work with lithography, linoleum blocks or wood blocks to make limited edition prints. All B&W art work without a doubt! As for the nasty childish arguments that filled all that space above, you children (and you know who you are!) get no cookies with your milk after your nap today! You need to learn how to behave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob haight Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 What, no large format users here? Gandolfi trad. 8 x 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen_w. Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 travis trolling for responses. It is a dumb question, sorry. SWC and Hexar RF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_m__toronto_ Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 i'd be down to hexar af and crown graphic 4x5. hey grant, you rag on me for mispelling someone's last name, and here you go posting grammatical errors all over the place? hypocrite! :-) take it easy man. if it's a fluff question, move on. you don't have to post in every thread. this forum's not about you grant. stop looking for attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix_erazo Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Travis, at the present time I have 2 M's, but saving my dollars for a canon digital system to pursue my love of the outdoors. using the long lenses. Marc, Great pieces of art work!<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_r._fulton_jr. Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Travis---Actually, you asked an interesting question. The question pertains to my "routine photography" and what camera I'd use? I already use a Nikon for my 'routine' stuff. For my 'personal' work I always use my M Leicas. If I couldn't use the Leicas, I suppose I'd have to use the Nikons, but I wouldn't like it one bit. I suppose I'd not use either the F5 or N90 and just use an old non-motor F3 with my old 35 f2.0 Nikkor. It would work okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted September 30, 2003 Author Share Posted September 30, 2003 First off, anyone who owns more than 1 working camera at anytime shouldn't be calling this a stoopid thread. The fact that you made a conscious decision to purchase more than 1 camera reflects that to a certain extend, the gear means something to you. So in a way, you are trolling yourself and your conscience. I'll stop right here. Whether you are obsessed about gear is personal. Im not. And I salute that someone who had been using his d100 since age 9 when he started photography many years ago. Why didn't he stick to his first camera and repair it and service it all these years, but switch to a digital one? Im not the least interested. And his future comments probably mean less to me from now on. If asking forumers to state a piece of equipment hee/she'd use besides a Leica means being dumb, then obviously many people have been asking dumb questions. Which I doubt. Im waiting for the day where I don't need a camera to take pictures. Im waiting for someone to put trix onto my retinas and a shutter dial on my ears. I'll roll/shake my head to develop the film with injected hc110 and let it fall our dry through my ears. Film! till that day, my FX3 with the 24/28 will be my immediate next camera after my Leicas. I can see pretty well even then. Thank you all for injecting your thoughts. If anyone still have their next choice to input, Im very happy to hear from you. If I want to discuss the art of seeing, rest assured I'll start one. Im a troller remember? cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_perkins2 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 EOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricks Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 My Canon 10D setup. Perhaps pick up a Konica or Contax G2 on the side. Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preston_merchant Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 I thought this was a gear forum. What's the big deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexis_nuttin Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 I'll use my second camera : a Nikon FG with its small 50mm lens (Series E). Almost the same dimensions as my M6, but much more noisy. I definitely gave up my olympus mju II, too much automatic now (and too small as well). My FG frame counter is out of order, so it often surprises me at the last shot, but all the rest is very very fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesrani Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 "do you really think learning to see has anything at all to do with a camera?" Sure it does. Learning to see photographically. Learning to see well enough to cross the road safely is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_lee2 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Hear hear Travis. I think the idea is to not take anonymous internet personalities (probably meek mild-mannered bankers by day) too seriously, if at all, and to thus not unnecessarily expend energy getting riled up over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted September 30, 2003 Author Share Posted September 30, 2003 Andrew, you talking about Ray the painter right? ;) thx anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 <I>I think the idea is to not take anonymous internet personalities (probably meek mild-mannered bankers by day) too seriously...</I><P> Hmmmm. That conservative gray suit Grant wears when he shoots must be keeping him from getting good pix... www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anavar Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Pentax MX with 50mm 1.4 was my favorite camera before my M6. Used it for 20 years and I still pick it up occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Still wondering if none of the artists in the world ever talked about equipment? Still waiting, waiting.....waiting. No answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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