Too much hatred...I quit!

Ed_Ingold · May 7, 2010

I recall a thread titled "My camera can beat the snot out of your camera", or something to that effect, in which the OP really meant it. Now he's upset because people disagreed with that premise. Well, this is the fourth time he's gone out in a "rit of fage". Like the "Halloween" guy in the hockey mask, he'll be back.

Ed, we all think our equipment is best FOR US, otherwise we wouldn't have bought it. We can and should share our reasons with anyone who has similar needs AND ASKS. If your P&S is best for you, I believe you. I also think your needs may be different.

Keep in touch (figuratively).

Barry Thomas · May 7, 2010

Could someone explain 'bitch-slap' to me please? And is there a button here for "get this ranting bigot off my nice screen please"? Should be.

alan_ginman · May 7, 2010

"And is there a button here for "get this ranting bigot off my nice screen please"? "

On Internet Explorer, it's called the 'Back' button. Other browsers should have the same functionality.

Cheers

Alan

Barry Thomas · May 7, 2010

Hah! Fair comment. But I'd still like to know if the mods now consider bitch-slaps, pimps and piss to be acceptable language for this meeting of polite ladies and gentlemen?

pjmeade · May 7, 2010

Time to swith to decaf

edgreene · May 7, 2010

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=402495">Barry Thomas</a> <a href="../member-status-icons"><img title="Subscriber" src="http://static.photo.net/v3graphics/member-status-icons/sub9.gif" alt="" /></a>, May 07, 2010; 04:57 a.m.

Hah! Fair comment. But I'd still like to know if the mods now consider bitch-slaps, pimps and piss to be acceptable language for this meeting of polite ladies and gentlemen?

Mods, censoring street language?

Even as the words were merely common English words as part of my OP rant, your wreckless repeating of their by-now "street" connotations only exacerbates (dignifies) their use.

Surely when ESPN (talking about LT) can and does use them in context , so can I (and now you)?

Barry Thomas · May 7, 2010

I'd say 'bitch-slap' is street pure and simple. Next time you're in polite female company, try dropping it into conversation. Try getting your grand-kids to use it in conversation with their parents. Should we blindly follow the lead of ESPN or maybe speak nicely in public? ymmv of course.

Matt Laur · May 7, 2010

But Ed, you didn't use those words in some context. You said that the camera literally does it. I thought maybe you were talking about mirror slap, but perhaps not.

john_h.1 · May 7, 2010

I'd still like to know if the mods now consider bitch-slaps, pimps and piss to be acceptable language

</blockquote>

If you were "the mods" then, yes, since you deem it acceptable to gratuitously utter the 'p-words' in "this meeting of polite ladies and gentlemen".

will_daniel1 · May 7, 2010

Who is Ed Greene?

Barry Thomas · May 7, 2010

John, The words come direct from the original poster. I'm just trying to find out what's acceptable here, only the mods can tell us since we mere civilians might have an opinion, but have no power to keep things polite. Of course if any and all 'street' language is OK then you might want to make sure your elderly aunt isn't looking over your shoulder while you are on p.net.

thomas_sullivan · May 7, 2010

ditto what Jeff Spirer said.....

This screaming non-stop hardware, hardware, hardware cry can never be satisfied. I personally spent the first 27 yrs of my photography hobby using only a Minolta 101, 28mm, 50mm, 70-205mm zoom, set of extension tubes, and a Mamiya C220 w/80mm lens....and was happy.

In the next 8 yrs I bought a lot of gear, worked at a camera shop....and got tempted daily to buy something used that I always kinda wanted, or some new digital that I wanted now. Then I got laid off and the camera equipment purchase heyday stopped. It took me almost a year to get away from wanting, wanting, wanting equipment.

Then I came to the realization that I'm happiest when NOT buying equipment but going out and taking pics. Oh, I always knew this to be the way to approach photography in my heart, but actually seeing both sides of the coin....has PROVEN it to me. This past year I have bought NO equipment and been enjoying just shooting. I think next step is to get back into the travelling I used to do because of my picture taking interests

World.....here I come!

lex_jenkins · May 7, 2010

There is a certain irony inherent in the use of invective to complain about "too much hatred" by others in discussions. But I'm not getting the impression that Ed intended the irony.

Brad_ · May 7, 2010

>>> ...besides the pretentious persons who shoot DSLRs (any make-any model) piss me off more often than not; their

insipid fanboy bragging and bitching and snideness sickens my core.

Ed, can we talk? I mean right now.

First of all, don't listen to that Jeff dude - he's full of bokeh. Big time. Open your wallet just a bit wider and you can buy some of

the cool stuff stuff I have for sale; like my 24-70 f/.2.8, or my backup <a href= "http://www.youtube.com/watch?

v=So5iQoQQswg&feature=player_embedded">Maxpedition Versipack Jumbo</a> urban commando camera bag (you'll

need to supply your own nine). Owning either one of those items will for sure put you on the road to greatness. Owning both will get you there twice as fast.

ken_jeanette1 · May 7, 2010

Personally, I think the mods should give him exactly what he wants, and permanently block his access to PN. Although, I really don't get what he was moanong about. With a very quick search, I found 7 of the FZ20s available on Amazon for $200 to $300. So, he could have gone off into the sunset with his beloved for not too big an investment.

andylynn · May 7, 2010

A few days ago Ed was posting about how great his film cameras and his FZ20 were, and they can "beat the snot out of your camera", then it was something about how Vivitar Series 1 zooms made primes obsolete and people using primes are "patronizing purists" and now it's "[DSLR usrs'] insipid fanboy bragging and bitching and snideness sickens my core" and meanwhile his gallery is 8 photos of the same messy table in his house. Oh, and there's too much hate.

Ed, I think you're going about this all wrong. Get off the internet and go photograph something. Use your T90 or your FZ20 and don't worry about other people's cameras.

KenPapai · May 7, 2010

Ditto too what Jeff said. Ed's one of those gear only posters. Adios (or take your meds as others prescribed).

wogears · May 7, 2010

"Full of bokeh." I love it.

edgreene · May 7, 2010

Some of you are acerbic, as here:

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=2397502">John Galyon</a> May 06, 2010; 06:32 p.m.

take the meds, Ed....take the meds.

Don't need or use "meds" while I do vent every once in a while.

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=778269">Phil Evans</a> <a href="../member-status-icons"></a>, May 06, 2010; 06:40 p.m.

You will be missed Ed.

Ed thanks the gentleman; bows.

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=1841065">JDM von Weinberg</a> May 06, 2010; 06:46 p.m.

Anti-depressants are very helpful as a rule, but do be very cautious, they can be dangerous if not used carefully.

First one has to have a Dr. determined need for anti-depressants before they should take them: I don't need or use "meds" and you're no Dr.

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=17983">Eric Brody</a> <a href="../member-status-icons"></a>, May 06, 2010; 06:49 p.m.

You are indeed fortunate if this "terrible" problem is the worst thing in your life at an age close to retirement. I'm sad you've lost that "lovin' feelin'" for photography. Perhaps it wil return. Good luck.

As noted, I've been at this trade since 1956, "dipping and dunking" wiht the best of them. The worst thing in my life was being combat-wounded; twice over two seperate tours.

Next was the loss of my infant son.

But thanks for your concerns.

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=4802905">Andrew Lynn</a> May 06, 2010; 06:53 p.m.

I don't understand. Is Ed upset about forum people bickering or about the lens selection for DSLRs?

Not "upset" at all: merely tired of the endless chatter about their gear.

M<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=2344388">att Laur</a> May 06, 2010; 07:00 p.m.

Complaints about "insipid fanboy bragging and bitching and snideness sickens my core" is a little hard to reconcile with proclaiming the fabulousness of your new purchase

My OP was an observation (my opinion), not a "complaint". And "Purchases" (plural). Not so "fabulous" either: upon retiring for the second time, I'd planned to buy them in any case, paid for with saved money, not credit cards. Now that's what I call "Fabulous".

and your cranky bashing of everyone else's discussions. Unless your post, Ed, is just a storyboard for a really ironic self portrait you're planning. Anyway, have fun with your new equipment. Oh, and one other thing: I don't think that "literally" means what you think it means.

You can parse "literally" all you desire but the "context" I mentioned was that of my OP, no matter what or how you see (or parse) the word.

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=705858">Dave Sims</a> May 06, 2010; 07:14 p.m.

Well, if it does, it's a hell of a camera.

I'm going to be just fine when my replacement FZ20 arrives.

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=1656670">Zane Johnson</a> May 06, 2010; 07:16 p.m.

which begs the other question It doesn't "beg" the question, Ed. It <a rel="nofollow" href="http://begthequestion.info/" target="_blank">raises the question</a>. Otherwise, I thought your post was very entertaining. Try for more vitriol next time, though.

You might not believe this, but I have and bear no animus or vitriol for those who are as enamored with the craft today as I was at 17.

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=1665456">Harry Joseph</a> <a href="../member-status-icons"><img title="Subscriber" src="http://static.photo.net/v3graphics/member-status-icons/sub5.gif" alt="" /><img title="Frequent poster" src="http://static.photo.net/v3graphics/member-status-icons/2rolls.gif" alt="" /></a>, May 06, 2010; 07:53 p.m.

Ed Greene, congratulations. Sometimes you got to get that stuff off your chest, or you wind up on medications. Now go enjoy the rest of your life !

I'm off to retirement May 21, (Kale, Colorado)

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=19592">Jeff Spirer</a> May 06, 2010; 08:05 p.m.

If you had been into photography instead of gear, you might have been happier at this point.

I've been "into photography" since 1956. The "gear" side of me only revealed itself in the OP, otherwise, I never (or seldom) mention what I own, have owned or shoot.

"Happy"? I'm ecstatic: full pension(s), 401k, Money Market certificates, five-figures in the bank and off to retirement in Colorado May 21.

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=96425">Jerry Litynski</a> May 06, 2010; 08:09 p.m.

Soon to be 64, I hope my situation is not so rigid when I hit 72 years of age!

[Ed, you could get a 60mm f2 Tamron Macro lens...and any digital body...and skip the need and feel of a f2.8 lens.]

"Tamron"? On my EOS 1D? I don't think so...

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=86165">Steve Swinehart</a> <a href="../member-status-icons"></a>, May 06, 2010; 09:01 p.m.

So then, it never really has been about making photographs has it?

Yes: FYI:I shot at least 240,000 frames of film as a Photojournalist. I once had a collection of more than 324,000 film images I made. Film was "about photography", digital is about Photoshop and fanboys. I'd likely win any wager as to how many more prints I've personally "dipped and dunked" vis-a-vis how many prints most digital only shooters have printed at home.

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=2534033">Al V</a> <a href="../member-status-icons"></a>, May 06, 2010; 09:24 p.m. Someone's a LEICA lensed bridge camera fanboy! And are you really the age you claim? Pimp and bitch-slap? Are you a late bloomer? Was Eazy-E your favorite member of NWA?

Yep, I like my FZ20!

Who is "easy-E"?

Born February 1939-do the math. I have 5 adult daughters and they in turn have 13 children, many of whom visit and their private talk made me understand their rather easy use of common English words your hide-bound, near Puritanic attitude seems to need to reprimand me for my familiarity with modern youth and their vocabulary.

"Peace out" (my four-year-old grandaughter says that whenever she is leaving my house). You object?

So yes, I'm familiar with the idoms of modern youth and the language they hear on MTV.

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=251643">Gerry Siegel (Honolulu)</a> May 06, 2010; 11:36 p.m.

Shoot Ed, I been at it longer than you. So whatcha gonna take up in full retirement? Collect old glass bottles. Write yr memoirs...?.

Fulfill my writing contracts for one, shooting ultra-tele shots of the Front Range in Colorado for another.

Finish my Masters for sure

I think, like Der Terminator ," YOU'LL BE BACK." You and I both know, since you been here a while, that we see a lot of "stage exits" so to speak Ed. And comeback tours so to speak. If not, no biggie, I give you a big a-l-o-o-ha-a. Be well and keep busy Ed we share some good memories I think. (You don't need Prozac BTW. A couple of 20 yr old nymphs might do it:-))

I don't need Prozac in any case. My marriage of 49+ years made me stable as a mate; a widower, I just need the right woman now... I understand Colrado is brim-full of lonely widows...

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=2402041">Tim Witt</a> , May 07, 2010; 01:20 a.m.

Ed, Please send your unwanted, any condition cameras, lenses and accessories to me. Thanks............

I have three (3) EOS A2 film bodies that need a good home. One is 90% of OEM good with an EOS 430EZ flash mounted, newish Canon bag, 28-80 & 100-300 EOS lenses to boot. All will go on ebay next week.

Selling for $85 the lot plus my Fedex S&H.

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=419409">Edward Ingold</a> May 07, 2010; 02:20 a.m.

I recall a thread titled "My camera can beat the snot out of your camera", or something to that effect, in which the OP really meant it.

Surely you and any other reader of that thread knew it was purely a tongue in cheek OP.

Now he's upset because people disagreed with that premise. Well, this is the fourth time he's gone out in a "rit of fage". Like the "Halloween" guy in the hockey mask, he'll be back.

How would you know I am or would be "upset" about a fun thread? You and no one else knows me at all. You upbraid me for the use of colloqiyalisms and you cite a tired film character as my equal?

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=402495">Barry Thomas</a> <a href="../member-status-icons"><img title="Subscriber" src="http://static.photo.net/v3graphics/member-status-icons/sub9.gif" alt="" /></a>, May 07, 2010; 04:06 a.m.

Could someone explain 'bitch-slap' to me please? And is there a button here for "get this ranting bigot off my nice screen please"? Should be.

Google it.

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=387707">Alan Ginman</a> <a href="../member-status-icons"></a>, May 07, 2010; 04:49 a.m.

"And is there a button here for "get this ranting bigot off my nice screen please"? "

On Internet Explorer, it's called the 'Back' button. Other browsers should have the same functionality.

Cheers

Alan

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=402495">Barry Thomas</a>, May 07, 2010; 04:57 a.m.

Hah! Fair comment. But I'd still like to know if the mods now consider bitch-slaps, pimps and piss to be acceptable language for this meeting of polite ladies and gentlemen?

"Acceptable" to whom? (As if those "polite" people wouldn't know those common English words?)

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=402495"> Barry Thomas</a> <a href="../member-status-icons"><img title="Subscriber" src="http://static.photo.net/v3graphics/member-status-icons/sub9.gif" alt="" /></a>, May 07, 2010; 07:03 a.m.

I'd say 'bitch-slap' is street pure and simple.

Correct. And you would know if it were "street": right?

Next time you're in polite female company, try dropping it into conversation. Try getting your grand-kids to use it in conversation with their parents. Should we blindly follow the lead of ESPN or maybe speak nicely in public? ymmv of course.

You are not the monitor nor the chief of protocol in this thread. Your attempts to modify how I choose to speak using those persons who might be reading is futile and off base. You preume the ladies and youths who might be reading this thread would be offended just because you are.

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=2344388">Matt Laur</a>May 07, 2010; 07:07 a.m.

But Ed, you didn't use those words in some context. You said that the camera literally does it. I thought maybe you were talking about mirror slap, but perhaps not.

You too have no right to monitor or upbraid me for my speech or the use of idoms.

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=937861">John Henneberger</a> <a href="../member-status-icons"><img title="Hero" src="http://static.photo.net/v3graphics/member-status-icons/hero.gif" alt="" /><img title="Frequent poster" src="http://static.photo.net/v3graphics/member-status-icons/3rolls.gif" alt="" /></a>, May 07, 2010; 07:59 a.m.

I'd still like to know if the mods now consider bitch-slaps, pimps and piss to be acceptable language

</blockquote>

If you were "the mods" then, yes, since you deem it acceptable to gratuitously utter the 'p-words' in "this meeting of polite ladies and gentlemen".

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=761193">Will Daniel</a> <a href="../member-status-icons"><img title="Frequent poster" src="http://static.photo.net/v3graphics/member-status-icons/1roll.gif" alt="" /></a>, May 07, 2010; 08:01 a.m.

Who is Ed Greene?

<a href="../photodb/user?user_id=402495">Barry Thomas</a> <a href="../member-status-icons"><img title="Subscriber" src="http://static.photo.net/v3graphics/member-status-icons/sub9.gif" alt="" /></a>, May 07, 2010; 08:20 a.m.

John, The words come direct from the original poster. I'm just trying to find out what's acceptable here, only the mods can tell us since we mere civilians might have an opinion, but have no power to keep things polite. Of course if any and all 'street' language is OK then you might want to make sure your elderly aunt isn't looking over your shoulder while you are on p.net.

acute · May 7, 2010

Somebody aught to add some appropriate photographs to this thread to liven things up!

m_m7 · May 7, 2010

I am with Will.Who is Ed Green?

kelly_flanigan1 · May 7, 2010

steven_moseley1 · May 7, 2010

"Anti-depressants are very helpful as a rule, but do be very cautious, they can be dangerous if not used carefully"

....even if you use them 'carefully' as prescribed by your doctor, they can often still be a nightmare from hell....and yes I do speak from experience.

andylynn · May 7, 2010

Kelly: Ouch. My eyes.

Ed: If you're tired of all the writing about gear, stop writing about gear! And just use the Customize button on the Unified page to filter out the boards that are mainly gear related.

john_h.1 · May 7, 2010

The words come direct from the original poster.

</blockquote>

Repeating language you find deem questionable rather than contacting "the mods" through the designated private channel makes the OP factor irrelevant. Its just repeating that which need not be repeated. As to elderly aunts, one or more might be more 'street fluent' than I but they won't be reading anything here I'm sure.

Somebody aught to add some appropriate photographs to this thread to liven things up!

</blockquote>

Pointless threads, like here, are usually quite lively. Also, like here.

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