andrew n.bra hrefhttp Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 "My camera appears to be broken - do I really need to repair it?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 "Eric, Was your comment directed toward grant? I think he skipped grade school english and went straight to SP 101 and post grad oneliner sarcasm:*)" re. typing Vs. shooting. No Leslie, it was directed towards all of us that type on internet forums more than we shoot. Heck, sometimes i spend two or three hours here, nice and warm, looking for material to post when i could have been into the city centre and back with a few rolls shot off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_blow32 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 The "you really should get to know your subject in order to make a viable picture of him/her/it" debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_ng Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 How does #6 count as a debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
working camera Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Lets not debate the debate over #6. Too controversial I think we should move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aric_rothman Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Oooh...A meta-debate! Somehow, I just don't see that happening in the Minolta forum.<p><p><img src="http://home.woh.rr.com/anl/images/smiley.jpg"> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry_szarek Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 What ever did HAPPEN to Jay, I miss him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike dixon Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Yeah, I really miss hearing about how stupid I am for not using protective filters and for carrying my camera over my shoulder instead of around my neck. Also fun to hear about how having a dinged-up camera is evidence of pyschological deficiencies. It's unfortunate that the "pro-Jay vs. anti-Jay" debate should probably be added to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin m. Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I miss his advice for travelling in foreign countries: 'walk with a purposeful stride...smashing skulls' and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I miss him. He stated his opinions. He didn't pick out people he disagreed with and constantly bring them up, even on threads they don't post on. He may have been an old sourpuss, but he I didn't see him as mean or vindictive. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aric_rothman Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I remember Jay's comments on avoiding a confrontation by using body language that made it clear you were ready for one if necessary. It's not bad advice. I know a contributor to this forum who, when confronted with two thugs who appeared to have interest in an involuntary exchange of Leica ownership, used Jay-Fu to good effect. He held it in such a way, with only a little neck strap free between camera and fist, to communicate to the thugs: you might this get this chrome, minty, and recently CLA'd flail from me, but your blood will be all over it. When the bad guys saw he was ready to fight, they turned around and walked away. Of course, Leicas aren't made to be weapons, and who wants a salty harangue from Sherry? "What's this embedded in the floorplate lock? Scalp?! I'm not cleaning this, d*mm*t!" Better to be prepared in that regard, too. (Hey, this is the GRAND DEBATES thread, right?) Predators generally look for weak prey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_ochan Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Jeff: "[Jay] I miss him" So do I. He was strange but benign. "He didn't pick out people he disagreed with and constantly bring them up........" Yeah, some people right now are behaving more like online stalkers than rational contributors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abufletcher Posted December 9, 2004 Author Share Posted December 9, 2004 When I was new to this forum I found Jay's contribution extremely helpful. I credit him with convincing me to go with a recent minty M6TTL rather than even an M6 classic that might soon need a CLA. At the time I didn't have a clue how the TTL might be different from the classic or even what CLA meant. Jay enlightened me on all this. Jay seemed to have become increasingly bitter about all Leica cameras but was still knowledgeable. He was often (usually?) abrupt -- but that way in equal measure to everyone. If we here on the Leica forum got to vote on "who leaves the island" I don't image that Jay would have gone first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian_morgan Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 None of these debates even skimmed the surface of this great conversation <a href="http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=006RNX" >Littman 45s and polaroid 110</a> Mr littman's responses are fantastic if you have a spare hour or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin m. Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 It may flatter you to think so, but there's no "vindictiveness" going on here, it's merely a strong reaction to those who continue to treat the Leica forum as their personal chamberpot. Stop coming here to mock, ridicule and condescend and you won't get that reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 No vindictiveness - that's funny. Why do you attack preemptively? It's your life's mission - you follow him around and make tiny snide remarks. You are not the forum's deputy sheriff - though it really is kind of cute watching you believe that you are. Consider meditation, it can help you refocus that bad energy. www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 personal chamberpot Sorry Kevin, but are we talking about following the party line? He's entitled to his views the same as anyone else;love or leave them. Enjoying the banter, but then i'm wicked. Perhaps we should all agree about everything...would be a bit boring, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Anyway, with a backward flip, i'm going to land on Z's shoulders..to cheer him up. Going to whisper in his left ear because the pink rabbit thing whispers in his righr ear. Thanks for the fun folks; got the flu ....latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin m. Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 You guys have a funny way of defining 'attack.' If you mean mentioning something someone said in thread "A" in thread "B" when it's relevant to the discussion, well, that's memory, not an attack. Here's a more recent 'memory' exercise for you, Brad: In the "David vs. Goliath" thread, the moderators rightly deleted all the insults, but they also deleted your initial posting, too, didn't they? Remember that one, the one where you displayed all the sarcasm, condescension and scorn a 13-year old girl could muster? That's what started it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Kevin, a shame you can't address what was posed to you without going into a childish, "Yeah, but you said..." or a "Yeah, but he started it..." type response. Speaking of sarcasm, try losing yours and this ferocious anger - you've been carrying this grudge for a long time. Though as I said before it really is kinda cute watching you in action... www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglas k. Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Looks like we've got our own Barney Fife around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lutz Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Here's one you forgot, guys. The most widespread of all:<p> # How to turn the most sensible, the most benign and lighthearted threads into schoolyard fist fights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin m. Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 So cause and effect and memory don't count? That's weird. Because it's not a 'grudge' or 'anger' but a reaction to comments here on this forum over the last couple of years. On several occasions, I've tried to have reasonable discussions with you and Jeff and Grant about the topics you love to mock, like "lens characteristics" or "bokeh" only to have example pics held up for unsolicited critique and a childish level of ridicule. You've done it to others, too. How many times on this forum has someone said words to the effect of <i>'That's why you don't see me posting pics here?'</i> Have you ever noticed? <p> That kind of behavior discourages the participation of others, that's what bugs me. The condescending, sneering attitude keeps other away, and it makes the forum less interesting and less fun than it could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markplawchan Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 "# How to turn the most sensible, the most benign and lighthearted threads into schoolyard fist fights"-- Well, I can see you "Leica guys" have mastered something, anyway.....(back to the Canon, Medium Format and Collector Camera forums where reason and civility prevail...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 <i>(back to the Canon, Medium Format and Collector Camera forums where reason and civility prevail...)</i> <p> G'wan, get outta here, fist fights keep your senses sharp and finely tuned.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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