absinthe Posted August 13, 2004 Author Share Posted August 13, 2004 The world isn't black & white, Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 prove it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absinthe Posted August 13, 2004 Author Share Posted August 13, 2004 Thomas, I have a few similar to your beech tree, but mine don't work nearly as well as yours. I haven't found the right tree yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 seeking the advice or approval I agree with the word approval, but not the word advice. Your friends Jeff or Brad might give you advice...you could take it or leave it. Myself, i would certainly listen it...as i'm sure you would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 is heather seeking approval or advice allen? both? neither? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Back to the photographs. <BR> That's pretty clear. I'm a believer in shoot, look at print, think, reshoot if you can. You have an intent and balance the results against that intent and shoot again till photo shows exactly what you want. You've told me you want me to see a human torso in the tree trunk and an alien in the stag horn fern. My next question is ok, suppose you get me to see those things. Why and wherefore? When you have taken a viewer down a path in some journey it must be worthwhile journey. There must be some gold at the end. If you take me down that path and, as my contribution, I bring my willingness to believe, which is essential for the viewer to enter the photo, and the path ends in nothing worthwhile for me I am ripped off. (hope you stayed with me thru that run on sentence) It's lke John Lennon at the top of Yoko?s ladder at her showing if it would have said "NO" instead of "YES." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absinthe Posted August 13, 2004 Author Share Posted August 13, 2004 Perhaps I just have a grouping of photos wrong. Grouping them by the meer fact that they are forms of plant life & shot with the same lens & film & received the same post negative work isn't strong enough. If I were to group the torso shot with other shots that had underlying human form, would that be a better journey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 <i>seeking the advice or approval of others only helps to create photographs that fit into the very ideas in which people are using to judge the photos....</I><BR><BR>Precisely!! People want to make photos that fit the user's needs. It's the same as building a car that customers will buy. Why would I make a photo that someone wouldn't want to buy? Unless of course I was willing to forgoe customers for my own personal vision and hope that I could eventually bring them around. Either that or be willing to go it alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 <i>There must be some gold at the end.</i><br><br>says who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 I said that grant. u-hoo over her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 whos talking about buying photos...? this isnt a sears portrait studio...<br><br><i>People want to make photos that fit the user's needs</i><br><br>what if that user is the photographer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 OK. I would be willing to settle for no gold if the trip itself was fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 is heather seeking approval or advice allen? both? neither? I can't speak for Heather.However, at some stage in your photography you looked for approval, Then you moved on. Folks are at different stages in their photography. Think Grant, it's just as important the way you say things, as what you have to say. That's if you want folks to listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 yet another expectation....is life just about filling expectations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 whatd u say allen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 <I>whos talking about buying photos...? this isnt a sears portrait studio...</I><BR>You take me literally. *buy* as in approve, like, go for, be willing to praise, say yes to, rate highly. . . you get the point. Isn't that the major past-time here? The major motive.<BR><BR> <I> what if that user is the photographer?</I><BR>I talked about that after the *buy* discussion. See next post. It follows the *unless*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 oops, not next post. I said it all together. Did you miss that part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 is life just about filling expectations Yes, yours, if you are in the mood to do so.Sometimes it's better just to live without any. Let the currents of life do the work. Someone once said to me when one door closes another will open.That just popped into my head...don't know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Ok...so what do we know so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 some doors rotate and just go round and round... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claudia__ Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 everyone seeks approval and why shouldn't they? one can always reject it ;) "inside the museums, infinity goes up on trial. voices echo, this is what salvation is like after awhile." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 <p> Yes, I wish that for just one time<p> You could stand inside my shoes<p> You'd know what a drag it is<p> To see you<p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 <i>yet another expectation....is life just about filling expectations?</i><BR> I think our species spends a lot of time fulfilling or trying to fulfill expectations. And boy are we are dissappointed when we fail. <BR> I think the really decisive moments in our lives are when our expectations are completely blown out of the water. The miracle is greater than any of our little expectations. And because we filter our experience thru our expectations we may actually miss the miracle when it happens, miss the decisive moment. Never saw it coming and certainly did not act to keep up with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 were gettin warmer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 some doors rotate and just go round and round... Getting on the wrong train is worse.Takes you to the wrong place. But is there a wrong place. Or, is there a right place. Have to go away and think about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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