edmo Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Ya see? Don't screw around anymore...it get's you nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r.m. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 I am so totally confused.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_sullivan Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 ;o) you certainly took a beating for asking this question, didnt ya!?<br><br> ...yeah, keep on pursueing it.......hanging fern and torso are part of the way there.........the rest have to be re-thought from the beginning. Besides street & "blur", this abstract/semi-abstract "nature" stuff is what I enjoy doing the most.<br><br><br><br><center><img src="http://tssullivan.net/nature/images/day%20lily%20stalk.jpg"><br><br><br><img src="http://tssullivan.net/nature/images/white%20bark%20terrain.jpg"><br><br> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absinthe Posted August 13, 2004 Author Share Posted August 13, 2004 Ask simply for people's opinions & you get crucified for it (exagerating, yes) but it is the way with this forum that things can change flow direction like piss in the wind. Wouldn't have it any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 maybe if you put as much energy into photography as you do in being defensive and making excuses you would get somewhere.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absinthe Posted August 13, 2004 Author Share Posted August 13, 2004 Heather and her magnificence + Pentax beater = pretend Leica and a whole lot of money left in bank account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Reina: <i>I am so totally confused....</i><BR>You also see me after class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 You too Heather. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 center begone</c> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Out out damn spot</Center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absinthe Posted August 13, 2004 Author Share Posted August 13, 2004 Where did I make one single excuse & where was I being defensive? Answer me that. You simply decided for me that I need approval of everyone on everyone of my photographs & that couldn't be further from the truth. Your sem to be obsessed with whether or not somene fits into you tiny little definition of what photography should be. If someone asks an equipment question, your the first one to jump down their throats with "I doesn't matter" in an almost zealot-like fashion. If someone asks for the opinions of others, you do the same thing (selectively, I might add). All I wanted was an opinion on whether or not the photographs worked. How much emphisis I chose to put on those opinions is for me & me alone to decide, not for you or anyone else. What you do on a daily basis here amounts to something just shy of thought policing. <p> Bugger off & leave me be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 I'll be staying after in the HTML tutorial.</Center>?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 you just proved my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Heather everything is OK. You're OK, your photos are OK, grant is OK. Karim is . . . well . . . nearly OK except for his math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Most folk who put photos up for crit on this forum usually get a rough ride. Look at the David Bek post...!!not even for crit. It was not so long ago that if you posted a photo you were told it sucks. Hence the w/nw posts. Just part of the culture. Don't take it personnel....remember, this is the internet! I think most folks are trying to be helpful....some just lack the way with words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Back on the first topic, your photos. I think this subject matter would better in color. In black and white the foreground blends with the background because they both are leaves or branches and look alike in form. I want to know what you think of them. You know them the best and should be able to be the clearest. When YOU become clear about what you think and feel about them you can move to the next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absinthe Posted August 13, 2004 Author Share Posted August 13, 2004 If you told me my photos sucked I be fine, but to tell me not to ask for anyone's opinion & then presume to tell me what should & shouldn't matter as far as how I take in said opinions, I'll tell you to bugger off & mind your own business. The reviews don't bother me, its the heckles over the fact that I DARED to ask for people's opinion that bother me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 I know but you're getting OT on your own thread. Back to the photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 i did give you my opinion, which didnt seem to fit into your expectations....next time let us know what we can and cant say before asking us for advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 next time let us know what we can and cant say before asking us for advice See, you have hurt Grants feelings. Now the us and the we have got to try to make him better. Grant, you sure have got a way with girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Rowlett Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 I agree with Grant that I should be comfortable with myself and my work (photography, in this case) and that I shouldn't care too much what others say or think about it. But who really is "there" to feel that way about their work? Grant evidently is and I respect that a great deal, and I truly admire his work because it _shows_ in his work. But getting to that point is a _process_ that sometimes lasts a lifetime, and it sometimes goes uncompleted for many, maybe most, and maybe that is good. A large percentage of participants of photo.net and the Leica forum are still in that process. I know I am. This site - photo.net - is a "learning" site, and the overall presmise of photo.net, the Leica Photography forum rightfully included, is to learn from others in pursuit of great photography. So in that light it is perfectly natural and acceptable to ask for opinions from others on your work and to even _take them to heart_. Indeed, that is the whole purpose of photo.net. Photo.net was not designed as an "art show" or a "photography gallery." Backups? We don’t need no stinking ba #.’ _ , J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 This thread has it all!<BR> Photos<BR> Critique<BR> Guidance regarding personal journey<BR> Humor<BR> Sarcasm<BR> Verbal sparing - make that shadow-boxing<BR> Outrage<BR> You could just camp on this one post and get all your PN needs met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claudia__ Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Heather, i looked at your portfolio and altho your photos are not 'my thing' i think you should just keep doing them. stick with that subject matter and just keep shooting until you are sick of them. then you can look at the whole body of work and see which ones make you want to follow up on them. all the zen/noself/noproblem stuff is ok, but i think you were just asking for an opinion on the photos. so i have given you mine. hope it helps. ignore grant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absinthe Posted August 13, 2004 Author Share Posted August 13, 2004 Kent,<p> I like Torso & Alien best. <p>I like the form & pattern on the pitcher plants but I should have gotten much closer. This is an already cropped version & to crop anymore wouldn't work becaue the grain would get huge & I want the grain to be uniform across the set. <p>I like Torso becaue of the implied shape beneeth the pealing bark. I see a torso of someone with one arm extended and one leg extended sideways & bending sideways to reach for the extended leg. I also like the texture of the bark and the contrast, but what I really like is the implied human form beneeth all that. This is what I was hoping to bring out. I see it, but perhaps my vision is biased because I took the picture so I see it easily (which is why I asked for people's opinion, but I guess that isn't suppoed to matter, right?). When people look at this photo, I want them to see the torso under it all. I like alien because to me it doesn't really look like anything from this planet. Overall, I like the tones represented and the contrast between near the stem & the outward tip of leaves. With this photo, the underlying alien-ness that I see is less emportant than the tones & contrast. <p> The basket, now that I've sat on it for a few days, can go to the round file. It initially looked like worms to me & I have a worm phobia so my initial draw was based more on the phobia than it being a decent photograph. I no longer see worms, but rather a dull photo or roots & a basket.<p> The ferns I originally liked because of the DOF play, but once again, now that I have sat on it for a few days, it seems trite. I still like that one personally, so it won't be going into the round file.<p> The pitcher plants I like close up. It looks somehow perverse & gross & nasty. But taken as is, it doesn't work. Its too busy and that distracts from my goal of focusing on the perversion of shape & tones. One, maybe two up closer with a shallower DOF would be much stronger. <p>I can reshoot most of these as they were taken in a green house out on LI <p> From people's reviews here, I can see if what I want to come across in the photo is working or not. I found out that overall, not very good, but I also found out that some of these can work if I reshoot. Maybe I could have worded my request differently, but for people to tell me that other's opinions don't matter when in this case they very much do matter to me, they are the ones who don't matter. <p>What I'll do with said photos? I know I don't want to do them in color and I know that I don't want them any bigger than 11x14. Haven't a clue yet otherwise, but I mean them as a group and I mean them to be seen by others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 seeking the advice or approval of others only helps to create photographs that fit into the very ideas in which people are using to judge the photos.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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