Flash or no flash?

Discussion in 'Casual Photo Conversations' started by JDMvW, Nov 9, 2017.

  1. Bob, these folk are experts in their field.

    My comments are about dabblers without knowledge or understanding....and looking at the majority of flash photography....cold, lack feel and depth, much like they have been taken by a photocopier from a page in a magazine.

    Apologies if I did not clarify my thoughts properly.
     
  2. In the days of Ektachrome 100, I used my Vivitar 283 pretty often.

    Since I started using a DSLR, I rarely use flash.
     
  3. like those who dabble in SP, eh? Allen, you are so judgemental.
     
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  4. I detect the theme in this thread that "real photographers don't need flash." The fact that careless use of a flash can produce poor results is used to prove that point.

    I suspect that someone slinking about taking "candid" photos on the street would be unduly encumbered with a flash. Flash is generally unwelcome during concerts (or completely ineffective from the peanut gallery). You won't find one on a golf course either, or anywhere the talent could be distracted or temporarily blinded.

    With fast lenses and incredible ISO sensitivity, I find I don't need a flash for enough light, rather light where I need it. A clear example would be someone in shadow, backlit by a bright window where you want to see their features clearly. There is no way to get that by exposure settings only, since flare would obscure the outlines of their face. Sometimes a ring of light is okay, but more from the artistic point of view than that of the subject. I carry a set of gels to match the color of the flash with ambient light - solving another issue.

    Rather than condemn the use of flash inappropriately, let us guide the beginners (or anyone new to flash) in a creative, supportive manner.
     
  5. If you know how to use flash you can control any situation you encounter and not the other way around and that's the point of learning flash photography as another tool in the toolbag. You can make a dull dark cold room on an overcast day bathe in streaks of sunlight by setting up a speed light outside the window and let it fire through the blinds for example. When done well the viewer of the picture will see a room filled with warm sunlight, not flash. Or you can take a portrait of someone standing in a messy room and completely darken the surroundings and background or create a high key background as if the subject was standing in front of a studio background (I think it was a Gary Fong video that showed this technique in detail).

    What many equate with flash (the harsh cold light with black shadows from a pop up flash) is not any more flash photography than a fastfood burger is cooking.
     
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  6. The flashtube on the Vivitar 283 has a slight yellow tint. I don't know which others do, but I think not all of them.

    Just a little warming.
     
  7. .."like those who dabble in SP, eh? Allen, you are so judgmental "Norman

    Its great that folk dabble in any genera of photography as it is all about a learning curve. However, it is about moving on from the very basics, Norman.

    Here comes the judge...judging other folks posts without a contribution from....err the judge.

    I gave my thoughts to the question asked and contributed a photograph...try doing the same instead of sniping.

    And what has a monkeys rear end got to do with this post about Street Photography....pray do tell.
     
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  8. Allen, you talk nonsense about flash, are proved wrong and then backtrack by saying “my comments are about dabblers…” which is highly dismissive of dabblers hence my comment about your SP. In other words, your dabbling in SP brings as much to SP as people who dabble in flash bring to flash photography.
     
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  9. Please see the third post from the top. Hope this helps.
     
  10. The yellow tint may be added to reduce the amount of blue and ultraviolet light emitted for a warmer tone. It is an added expense option for some studio units. It could also be re-deposited tungsten, vaporized from the electrodes, if it is heavier near the ends.
     
  11. (snip on Vivitar 283 flashtube yellow tint)

    I believe it was advertised as a feature at the time, but that was a long time ago now.

    Not so obvious to put it on the tube, instead of the reflector or filter.
     
  12. I can only speak for myself when I say that was not my intent or feeling. Perhaps I was lurking under a bridge (link) a little, of course.

    I do use flash where it is a necessity, but my preference is for "natural light," as Ansel Adams put it.
     
  13. I guess I would say I have a preference for natural light but really enjoy experimenting with flash as well, especially when I don't have to use flash. I may sometimes use flash as a necessity (to supplement natural light that isn't quite working for me), and also see it as a fun tool to experiment and work with in its own right.

    Wasn't a necessity here because the ambient light was more than good enough, but I wanted a long exposure with flash to capture the sheet in motion in a particular way.

    barrett-no-head-in-bed_9975-w.jpg
     
  14. "I detect the theme in this thread that "real photographers don't need flash." The fact that careless use of a flash can produce poor results is used to prove that point.

    I suspect that someone slinking about taking "candid" photos on the street would be unduly encumbered with a flash. Flash is generally unwelcome during concerts (or completely ineffective from the peanut gallery". Ed, Edward to his mate.

    Well, a big well, Edward.....most SP photographers don't slink around, Edward.....perhaps some newbies who are still on a early learning curve. You... have posted some SP type photos......did you feel you were slinking about?

    Norman, bless you. Address the question,, not how wicked or whatever that Allen is....most folks know that:))

    Yes, Im very wicked but...but , I like to rattle folks cages they then wake up .Im avoiding having a banter with you as I feel you take it personally..

    Natural light is the best if it can be achieved. Nothing to do with organic just what works best.
     
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  15. Just a bit of fun

    The famous white Knight....

    "Sir Norman of Naffington "who rescued all those dearies trapped in the evil Knights tower...just cannot think who that evil Knight might be;))
     
  16. Fred, your photo, to my mind looks cold and harsh.

    Its your opinion what matters, your taste, your thoughts.....mine means squat all.. post.jpg
     
  17. Just adding some thoughts.
     
  18. Mine, too.

    The first photo I posted at the beginning of the thread was meant as an example of a more natural, warm use of flash to go with the content of the photo and allow me an exposure which would preserve what could be seen through the windows.

    The black and white photo is totally different, with a totally different idea behind the use of flash. I thought it would be obvious that it was a more harsh, in-your-face use.

    The point is, there's no one size fits all when it comes to what natural light should look like or how it should feel or what flash should look like or how it should feel. It all depends on the mood being created and the content being lit. The idea that flash is this or that or that flash should be this or that is too restrictive for my own dealings with it.

    I've little doubt that there are people who've honed their use of flash more than me, as I'm still experimenting (and enjoying it). So my point is not to show spectacular results from my uses of flash but rather an openness to possibilities and discoveries.
     
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