jaimes_leggett Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>I'm new here... howdy!<br>Was wondering if I could get a little advice?</p><p>I've got a Canon 450D and looking to upgrade to the 50D or 5D MKii (... that's another question).<br>I've got two Sigma lenses a 50mm (f1.4 USM) and a 18 - 200mm (f3.5 - 6.3).</p><p>The 50mm is my latest edition and has opened my eyes to a whole new world. Love it! Off the back of this, I'm considering selling my 18 - 200mm and replacing it with the Canon 70 - 200m (f2.8 with IS).</p><p>If I did this, will I miss the 18 - 50mm I lose by ditching the Sigma 18 - 200mm?</p><p>The majority of the pictures I take are of people, although I'd still like the ability to shoot cityscapes.</p><p>Is there anything else I should be considering?</p><p>Thanks alot.</p><p>J</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davyjo Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>You will definitely miss the focal lengths from 18-50mm. But the improvement in the 70-200 will be highly significant. You'll soon want to get something in that focal range like the 17-55 IS or the Tamron 17-50.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrik_lauridsen Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>Yes, you will miss the focal lengths, but if you go for the 70-200 f/4 instead of the f/2.8 you will propably have enough to get a 17-50 f/2.8 Tamron also + you will save some weight. I just got the 70-200mm f/4 non IS, and it is awesome.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_neill Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 is not full frame</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_hitchen Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>This is like asking us to choose a car for you. Only you can answer that.</p> <ul> <li>18-50mm will allow you to take wide-ranging cityscapes and landscapes, and the top end is OK for portraits.</li> <li>70mm plus will allow you to take more abstractred shots of cityscapes and landscapes and more candid people shots</li> </ul> <p>Which style do you prefer? Look back at you portfolio and see which type of shots predominate - if you are in any doubt of which focal length you used then the exif data may tell you the details.</p> <p>I would say that you prefer the first set which has me wondering why buying the 50mm 1.4 is making you think about buying the 70-200. This seems a weird leap of logic especially as you said yourself that you still like the ability to take cityscapes and the first thing you are doing is removing that capability.<br> So my guess is that you have the 50mm 1.4 and have realised what good glass can do for your photography, and so you want to have the best glass possible irrespective of whether you will actually use it.</p> <p>And by the way, your choice of move to 50D or 5DMkII could be significant as it will decide if you need EF-S lenses or EF lenses (or their Sigma equivalents)? Are you after technology, pixel count or out and out picture quality?<br> If you <em>really</em> want the 70-200 f2.8 L then keep the 450D (which is a fine camera), but the 70-200 and add a decent wide angle such as the Tamron 18-70 or the Canon 17-55 IS (both constant f2.8); a bit wider is the Canon 10-22 (or the Sigma equivalent).<br> If you really want the 70-200 f2.8L <em>and</em> the 5D then get a second-hand 5DMk1 and the 17-40L or 24-105.<br> Either of these options will be cheaper than the 5DMkII body. But first decide where you want to go with your photograph or you will end up spending a whole heap of money again in 2 years' time.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrik_lauridsen Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>Correct Andrew, but Jaimes has got a 450D, and as long as you have a crop sensor body, an EF-S / non full frame lens is about the only option if you want to cover the standard walk around zoom range at a reasonable price and weight. The 17-40 f/4 exists, but it is one stop slower, not a long and costs more than the Tamron.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthijs Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>I'd keep the 18-200. Not only for the 18-50 range but also for the times you want to go lightweight.</p> <p>Plus it will not sell for too much so the benefit vs cost of keeping it is pretty good.</p> <p>Unless you'll sell it to buy another wide zoom in which case it's probably worth more today than tomorrow...</p> <p>Regards, Matthijs.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evphotography Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>The 70-200mm f/2.8L IS is awesome lens, large upgrade from what you have. But I would definitely want more WA then just 50mm in my bag. I would consider the 17-40L, price wise it is a steal and on cropped sensor body it is sharp center to corner. You got spoiled now when you saw what you can get with really sharp optics, so I don't blame you for wanting to upgrade. Once you starting buying good glass, you won't want use anything else. Nice thing about investing in good lenses is that they don't become obsolete in few years, leaving you to want and upgrade. I have 70-200mm f/4L that I have owned for about five years and you will have to pry it away from my dead body to get it from me. One of best investments I ever made.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sattler123 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>Do you really need the 2.8 zoom? It is heavy and big! Consider the 70-200 f/4IS version instead. That will leave you money to buy another wide zoom. You will not be happy without it - trust us. Get the 17-40L, that, combined with the other lenses would cover everything, except extreme wide angle and all lenses would be compatible with a FF body, should you ever go that route.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdigi Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>I agree with everyone that if you get a 70-200 you will still want something wider. Get a Canon 17-40 or Tamron 17-50 or even a 18-55 IS kit lens with the 70-200 for a great combo. The 70-200 is an amazing lens. I can say from experience, don't get what you think you may need later, ( full frame etc ) get the lens you want or need now.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_pierlot Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>I'd like to add that I find f/4 zooms to be sufficiently fast for outdoor work, so I, too, would recommend that you get the 70-200/4 IS L over the 70-200/2.8 IS L. The 70-200 focal length range is ideal for outdoor candid portraiture. For indoor available light portraiture it's good to have an f/2.8 (or faster) lens, but 70-200 is too long for most indoor work, and you can use your 50/1.4 (or 24-70/2.8 L, if you get one) for that application. The 70-200/4 is much lighter and cheaper than the 70-200/2.8, and it's reportedly sharper.</p> <p>Another lens worth considering is the very fine 24-105/4 IS L.</p> <p>I'd also recommend that you get a 5D (or 5D Mark II, if you can afford it) over the 50D. Full frame bodies are better than crop frame bodies for portraiture and city/landscape work. They render more image detail, and give you the true focal lengths of your lenses.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
images_in_light_north_west Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>I just wrote about this on my blog <a href="http://imagesinlightnw.blogspot.com/">here</a> you may find this artical helpful</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_olwick Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>FYI: Art Wolfe uses the 70-200 F4L IS and says it's just as sharp as the 2.8 IS, with much less weight. (760 grams for the F4 vs 1470 grams for the 2.8). If you've ever seen his Travels to the Edge photo series, well, I trust his judgement. Here's one of the best nature photographers out there recommending it, not some resolution test chart.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bueh Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>Instead of a "normal" zoom (18-50mm) I'd go for a superwide like the Tokina AT-X 12-24mm. It opens up new photographic opportunities and will give you wide angle perspectives when you need them.</p> <p>And if you feel intimidated by the big white, you could also consider choosing a handful of fast primes for portraiture -- i.e., any combination of the EF 85mm f/1.8 USM, EF 100mm f/2 USM, EF 135mm f/2 L USM and EF 200mm f/2.8 L USM. They will probably be cheaper than the 70-200mm zoom, weight less and are faster and better to hand-hold. The primes lack IS, though.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaimes_leggett Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>Hi All,<br> Thanks for your feedback... I really appreciate your collective experience.</p> <p>The two reasons I want to upgrade my lens are:<br> - Ability to shoot clean / clear shots in lower light<br> - Greater IQ across the range</p> <p>Given this... would I be better to keep my current lens set-up and upgrade to a 5D MKII or would I be better to buy one or two better lenses?<br> (... based on a £2k budget).</p> <p>p.s. Around 80% of the shots I take are reportage esk portraits</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjoseph7 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>The Canon 70-200 f2.8 L series is an awsome lens it focuses fast and locks un like other lenses that seem to hunt allot. If felt a little angry at myself for paying so much for it at first, but now I have no regrets. I like it even more than the 24-70L . It is by far one of the best built lenses in the Canon line and on the market period. The bad thing it's kind of heavy so it doesn't make a good walk around lens, it also does not have macro, but for everything else it's worth the money.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel flather Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>You are talking about buying a 50D or 5D; one camera is a crop camera and the other is a full frame. That will make a diffenece in the lens choice. You must first decide what body you plan to buy.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sattler123 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>You are all over the map now. First lenses, now bodies. You need to decide first what your needs are. Any advice we give you is meaningless unless you decide what body you want to use these lenses on.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaimes_leggett Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>Thanks Juergen.</p> <p>I agree... I'm more confused than I was when I started... but far better informed!</p> <p>I'm going to give it a bit more thought tonight.</p> <p>Appreciate the input.</p> <p>Jaimes</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdigi Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>A 5D with the 24-105 kit is a nice set up for around $2500. I don't think your Sigma lenses will work on full frame so that may be something to consider. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bueh Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>Whatever you decide, lose the SigMa super-zoom if you value image quality.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ty_mickan Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>if you like taking candid pics of people, then forget the 70-200 zoom lens and stick with primes. lighter, <strong>smaller</strong>, better image quality.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evanroboldphotography Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>Yes, with a 450D or other crop body, you'll miss the 18-50 range. My vote is for the very sharp Tamron 17-50 <em>IF</em> you stick with a crop body. If you end up getting the 5D, you may not miss the 18-50 range so much, but 50mm is still a little long for cityscapes. I shoot weddings (low light!) and portraits with the 40D and 3 lenses: 70-200 2.8L IS, Tamron 17-50 2.8 and 50mm 1.4. The first two are on my camera 95% of the time. :)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randyhargraves Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>I would hesitate on spending a lot of money on lenses exclusively for crop bodies, such as the Canon 17-55 IS, tamron 17-50 etc. Most likely you're going to want to upgrade to a full frame body one day, and those lenses will be useless to you. You'll be happy with the Canon L telephoto zooms. The decision on whether you need the 2.8 should be based on whether you plan on shooting in low light. If not, then the f/4 would do you well at less price. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 <p>How long have you had your 450D? I'd get a Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 and start shooting.</p> <p>>>> The decision on whether you need the 2.8 should be based on whether you plan on shooting in low light. </p> <p>BTW, the large 2.8 aperture is not just about use in low light. For street photography/portraits, I use mine in normal outdoor light wide open to creatively control depth of field. Something I'm not willing to give up.</p> www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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