Allen Herbert Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 " Like the Wizard of Oz, when you pull back the AI curtain, all you see is some guy pulling a bunch of levers" Alan Way back in time a computer called Deep Blue was able to challenge and beat the current world champion. Those guys pulling the levers must have been master chess players or is the reality... "The whole is greater than the sum of the parts" Aristotle. Think synergy. Blade runner, West world and Mr Data in Star Trek have the common theme of A1 intelligence trying to emulate or become superior to humanity-they are endlessly searching for a soul which humanity claims makes them very special. I would suspect that A1 intelligent when it reaches a certain level of awareness will be very happy with their own soul without the desire to emulate humanity. Lets be honest we are not the err best role models. I think they will be able to create their own Art without the need to slavishly copy humanity. Phil, it is all about technology. We are a product of biological technology shaped and perfected over time to enable us to survive in our environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Different but still friends and partners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 And why would you think A1 intelligence would be any different other than not being a biological entity. I think you are endlessly saying we are unique and special and always be a superior life form to anything which will ever exist. Religion? “We pronounce, judge, and declare, that you, the said Galileo… have rendered yourself vehemently suspected by this Holy Office of heresy, that is, of having believed and held the doctrine (which is false and contrary to the Holy and Divine Scriptures) that the sun is the canter of the world, and that it does not move from east to west" Anyway, think I will have a play with my commodore 64;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 ." But information is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom" Phil. Information and knowledge are birds of a feather, Phil. Bet the Aztecs were well pleased to learn about the wheel;) Wisdom is achieved by not being controlled by fixed ideas and having a open mind-knowledge/information are the pre requisites of the inquiring mind on a path to wisdom. Technology is the invention of the imagination; the staid of mind struggles to see further than the present day lacking the imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 "Don't get me started on all the popular myths surrounding Galileo's trial. Yawn. But the vehement questioning of theories which at one point weren’t considered to be plain scientific truths as they are today isn’t at all reserved to religious inquiry; it’s the whole modus operandi of science itself (there’s also a link between Christianity, and the development of scientific research" Phil. Not sure what you implying by using the word "myth" ,suffice to say he had a very unhappy time due to the fixed ideas of the time. Of course religion has been dragged along by science , silently screaming , in the fear of the faithful losing the faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) What we imagine we create. Our imagination calls to us and we respond. Call it technology, call it art; the exploration of the unknown. Just terminology. Edited March 15, 2019 by Allen Herbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Yes, we are magical creatures blessed by the divine. I know this is true because my mate Phil. told me so.. and he gets really annoyed if you do not accept his thoughts. Never mind sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me so it goes;) Thanks for your thoughts, Phil. Chill. ;)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 You are a Christian, Phil. A born again Christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Once upon a time I lived in a box and it was a happy box. I understood, it was just was a box, with four walls, but it was my happy and comfortable box. Then one day I pocked my finger outside the box. I saw other folk living in boxes and wondered why we all lived in boxes. Of course my box was the best box because I lived in it all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Methinks not. We like to ponder and eventually come to the correct conclusion. Hmm we invented the computer and cracked the enigma code which to a large part won the war. Do not worry, we will always be the cool voice of humanity, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 No fear, Phil. A1 will be a friend of humanity, helping to cure all disease, and will take us to the stars. A friend, not a fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Goodnight. And God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 "protecting small individual creatives) rather than caring about and protecting individual privacy" Phil. Phil, you have dragged me out of my slumbers, hoping for pleasant dreams. Phil, the world is so simple to understand. It is, and always been about the coin. If you have it, well just great, if you have not well tough. Coin makes coin that simple and the world goes around. The world does not care a monkeys about individual freedoms, and less in the future. The coin is God, in this world, if you believe in anything else you are in fairy land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) If you need serious medical treatment and have to put your trust in the state, well, there is a long waiting list in the best of health care countries. Got the cash- you are there tomorrow morning. How simple is that to understand. Edited March 16, 2019 by Allen Herbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 It is all very simple. Unfortunately, as a species we struggle with such a concept. Our moirés, and culture, create a hardiness of soul. Scientific thinkers, at the edge of science, have come to this simple conclusion...yes, really. A simple song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I'm not sure what is happening here as this thread grows ever longer. But so far as AI goes, someone said that they hoped our new machine masters would be kind to us, perhaps as pets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 see IBM's Watson victorious in Jeopardy; Our new computer overlord? | ZDNet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) "Our morals, and culture, create a hardiness of soul" Allen Nationalism, racialism, ageism, homophobia ,culturist believes and the list goes on, Phil. These are the road signs of a backwoods culture, still very much rooted in tribal basic believes, struggling with concepts of civilisation. Perhaps not a hardness of soul more of a baby soul constantly soiling a nappy. "Nevermind your freaking vacuum cleaner remembering your name; science won’t give you an adequate answer to a question that people have been grappling with for thousands and thousands of years throughout philosophy, religion, and art. And neither it should". Phil. Science is knowledge and the understanding of the universe and our condition. It offers real answers to our understandings; your fairies at the bottom of your garden, offer only weird dream concepts in your imagination world of fantasy. Sort of like being sold snake oil.. . Edited March 21, 2019 by Sandy Vongries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just for you, Phil. Cause you love little furry kittens. A bit of a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Vongries Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Gents - there are plenty of POLITICAL sites - this is photographic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 "Gents - there are plenty of POLITICAL sites - this is photographic." Sandy. It is all Phil's fault Sir, he led me astray. I was merely discussing that the search for life out there in the great beyond ( Seta ) when life is being created on earth in the form of A1 intelligence. And of course another form of life can create Art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Personally I would give that Phil, six of the best, and not hold back on the swing;)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Indeed. Doubles all round. But, we are strangers, in a strange land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 A common language does not mean a common culture. As, I found out with mate Fred, aka the shadow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 @ AI has the potential to become more intelligent than any human, we have no surefire way of predicting how it will behave. We can’t use past technological developments as much of a basis because we’ve never created anything that has the ability to, wittingly or unwittingly, outsmart us. The best example of what we could face may be our own evolution. People now control the planet, not because we’re the strongest, fastest or biggest, but because we’re the smartest. If we’re no longer the smartest, are we assured to remain in control?" One day, that one day, Phil. That tin can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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