My reasons to hate my 7D

<p>"If you are too happy about something or angry about something in these forums, many men will come running to put you down, blaming those being happy or upset so they can treat them as bad as they want. Something is always wrong with the OP."<br>

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Note that your position is that essentially whatever the OP says is true.<br>

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So, our OP says the 7D sucks. Your position seems to be that it must suck, no matter how incompetent the OP is (and his incompetence is obvious).<br>

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That's just stupid.<br>

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And you are a concern troll and Nikon fangrrl. You should lose it ...<br>

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<p>Relationships come and go on this thread. Merry Christmas to all.</p>

<p>"Merry Christmas to all."<br>

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If the OP will trade his 7D for my last 50D, it will be a Merry Xmas indeed, for me! :)<br>

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<p>If photos are for fun and camera is not fun, but 30D was, try to get a 30D or 40D.<br /> 50D started it with high pixel concentration so if that's the problem you're identifying, then 7D or 50D or 60D would not do.<br /> This was from a 40D and 500mm f/4 and super light and a little darkening, minimal effort and 100% crop. I was happy with the combination of the 2 (both borrowed) but it was only this specific combination I liked for this specific subject type (birds), it wasn't my primary focus, I was happier with D300 and 17-35, 50, 105mm macro at the time.<br /> <img src="http://robertbody.com/animals08/images/2008-07-25-zoo-eagle-40d_8971.jpg" alt="" /><br /> The point here is that 40D was enough (and would be now enough) for me for a picture above, while a better camera with a lesser lens would not be. I had the right focal length for what I wanted, and the image quality was there from the lens, and what the camera delivered was great for my use.<br /> Years later I was using 1D4 and when compared to 5D2 landscape shot, the red color of red rocks during the period of last light (there... still far from sunset, but last minutes of the light, blocked by a hill behind me) -- 5D2 was just way off in color and it was too much work (and no motivation to address it, why if I am happy with 1D4 color?). <br /> While 5D2 works great (and now 5D3) for some, it is not for everyone<br /> 7D might work for some, doesn't work for you (whether you want to try another copy or not, that doesn't matter)..... if photography is for fun, and you find a camera that's fun, use it... if the new one is not fun, go back to the old one..... or try a new one (try as in don't commit to it until you feel you want to, from some exposure to it)<br /> Besides the obvious flaw of using a cheap lens on any body.... or taking picture with wrong light / time of day / etc.. if the camera doesn't deliver consistently, use a different camera :)</p>

William, the Nikon bla di bla was aimed at me, same initials causing confusion. My apologies from bringing another brand into this thread anyway, it turned out very counterproductive. Even if this kind of problem ("help my camera isn't telepathic and needs PP, despite costing more than my P&S") is neither brand nor model specific.

 

Sorry for the diversion.

<p>Wouter - OK. I understand the Nikon <em>bla di bal</em> now, thanks for the clarification.<br>

Good intitals.<br>

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<p>Note that your position is that essentially whatever the OP says is true.</p>

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<p>No, that is your assumption, Don.</p>

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<p>So, our OP says the 7D sucks. Your position seems to be that it must suck, no matter how incompetent the OP is (and his incompetence is obvious).</p>

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<p>No, that is your assumption, Don.</p>

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<p>That's just stupid.</p>

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<p>Yes, it would have been, if the assumptions were correct.</p>

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<p>And you are a concern troll and Nikon fangrrl. You should lose it ...</p>

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<p>Trolls put people down just for the exitement of it, like you do, Don. I don't.</p>

<p>What would it take to get you guys to behave with decency in a forum? What would it take to get you guys to be helpful instead of behaving in this awful way?</p>

<p>I knew this would happen when I started commenting in this thread. But somebody has to tell you that this behaviour sucks and is not helping anyone. You are making fools of yourselves, not of the OP or me. Even if that is what you are trying so hard to do.</p>

<p>If only one of you stop doing this from now on, at least some good has come out of my efforts. I am not doing this for fun...</p>

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<p>"Trolls put people down just for the exitement of it, like you do, Don. I don't."<br>

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Google "concern troll".<br>

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<p>"If only one of you stop doing this from now on, at least some good has come out of my efforts. I am not doing this for fun..."<br>

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Concern troll ...</p>

<p>I witnessed forums on this subject ad infinitum in DP when I was preparing to buy my 7D. I think one of them got shut off at the DP maximum for a large number of inputs This is not a new subject and I believe there is some substance to it. These forums gave me pause to research and determine the specific differences between the 7D and my 5D. The 5d is twelve MP. I used it for a long time specifically to shoot indoor swimming in dark and high contrast corners at ISO 3200. I still have that capability with the 7D with judicious use of noise reduction which only takes a second in Lightroom. What I really learned was that, as I said earlier, I had to use faster shutter speeds than I was accustomed to and if I wanted to use those shutter speeds I had, in many cases, to use higher ISOs and judiciously use noise reduction. Two days afer I got the 7D I spend two days shooting an Olympic gold medalist with the camera. They came out fine using what I learned. I think the OP, while not elegant, was expressing the same frustration I have seen in many other posts on this subject. This is really a bargain professional level camera and, at least for me, took some adjustment in my actions and thinking to use it somewhat effectively.</p>

<p>The picture below was taken with a 7D at 6400 ISO, 1/800 f5.6 with flash in virtual darkness. The high ISO extended the flash distance as he was about twenty feet in the air. Note the red eye which I didn't remove. The picture has been widely used. It is quite a bit sharper when not reduced to 700 dpi on the long side. </p><div></div>

<p>It would be interesting to see what the raw file looked like before you processed it. Could you convert it to a jpeg and upload it for us, with no reduction in size? It will show up as a link to an attachment.</p>

<p>Ann. The dog ate my homework. I had a computer crash about two weeks ago. I use Carbonite and I and they have been unable to restore my CR2 files from June on. They currently have downloaded my mirror image drive contents and are working on it. I am, to say the least, quite chagrined. As I recall I did not do a lot to the picture. Some noise reduction, sharpening, clarity and light saturation LR. I did not use PS. I will include a large JPEG. This has been agony as when I formatted the computer I was confident that the mirror image backup would work. I will say that the Carbonite staff has been staying with me and working well with me. The sidecar files and jpegs have been backed up without the raw files. My Sony ARW raw files were backed up. The large picture does show the capability of the 7D quite well. I don't mind a little noise in a picture like this by the way. I think the ISO 6400 speaks for itself. The light, even with flash, was pretty iffy and as I said it was almost compeletly dark but the track lights were on. His face would have been in deep shadow without the flash. </p><div></div>

<p>So sorry to hear that, Dick. I am keeping my fingers crossed for you.</p>

<p>Thank you, Dick. So the only difference between these two jpegs would be that the latter is the original size, and the first one is downsized? If so, that is quite a surprise to me.</p>

<p>Dick, I also started a thread about my disappointment of 7D, particularly the focus/ sharpness and I was basically told off by those who for some reason or other are very defensive/ protective of 7D!<br>

What I was and am still expecting is that someone would tell me about "some adjustment in my actions and thinking to use it (7D) more effectively". Frankly speaking I was looking for tips and practical corrective actions/ techniques for improving the image! But I suppose it is too much to ask! Can you help?</p>

William, you say about learning "the new tool" - I for one am willing to learn! Can you please be specific about what is that you wish me to learn/ practise?

<p>Well, Husain, when you post something like:</p>

<p>"I think 7D has focus problem by design"<br>

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What do you expect people who get excellent results from the camera to say? Obviously, if Canon had *designed it* to intentionally have focus problems, none of us would get decent results using auto-focus.<br>

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Such a statement is difficult to take seriously.<br>

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<p>Husain read what I posted above. I am no expert and don't claim to know as much as a lot of people on this forum but the 7D really works well for me. What I learned from others who really know the 7D is to use faster shutter speeds than you are used to. Use Single point focus as multiple focus point focus tends to focus on the nearest object rather than where you want the sharpest part of the picture. I don't necessarily mean center point but what you want sharp in the picture. I recommend you use apertures that give decent depth of field unless you want otherwise. I was shooting boats in a harbor today and I used 1/500 at F8-11 ISO 200 or 400. Most of those pictures are sharp and colorful viewed at 100 per cent crop. Don't be afraid to raise the ISO to get DOF and eliminate blur caused by hand held camera shake. I personally think that the 7D pictures need some noise reduction say above ISO 200 but this camera really does very well at higher ISOs. Do what I did this afternoon. I took some experimental pictures trying to get comfortable with live view and slow focus on 7D. My NEX 5N does better than the 7D at live view. I learn from my ugly pictures. And as I was told eons ago: shoot a lot pictures and fill the frame. And my own motto, no one ever sees my numerous screw ups. I delete them. A lot of my wedding pictures never saw the light of day or the eyes of a bride. Above all understand the basics of exposure and how aperture, shutter speed, and ISO relate to one another and the trade-offs between each them and how those trade offs affect picture quality. Do this by experimenting with lots of pictures with the 7D. I can't say much more because I don't know much more. Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while and if I keep shooting I am bound to get a few keepers. Good luck to you. I believe in you and the OP. Just keep shooting. You may want to calibrate your lenses but I have never done that. That picture I posted above was done with a 70-200 2.8L that I bought in 1997. I think its pretty sharp for an old white lens with maybe 100k pictures behind it. There is a lot to be said for quality lenses. And yes, I look at all my 7D pictures at 100 per cent crop in Lightroom. The good ones are really sharp from this camera. The fuzzy ones go in the trash. When shooting sports I get fewer 7D fuzzy pictures than any of the over ten Canon EF bodies that I have owned. What I understand from being frustrated myself many times that sometimes i miss the simplest things to fix a problem that is driving me crazy.. My current one that is driving over the edge is how to reclaim lost CR2 raw pictures after a computer crash from my off-site backup provider. You and the OP are human beings and you both deserve more respect than some of the posters have given you. Stick to it. I don't know what you know Husain so you probably already know a lot of what I have said but maybe something will be helpful. Again, all I can do is speak from my own experience however meager.</p>

<p>Ann. That smaller picture was one I downsized in CS6 on the web conversion function from the larger one today. It is not as sharp as the larger one. I don't really like to post at 700 dpi on the long side. </p>

This is great, Dick, many thanks!

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<p>I own this camera for 3 weeks and and my last word is I'm disappointed and I hate it... I took 7D to my central europe trip for 10 days...</p>

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<p>Taking new, untested, unfamiliar gear on a trip is never a good strategy.</p>

 

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<p>I thought that in 5 years (release of 7D) there must have been serious improvements in image quality...</p>

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<p>There have been.</p>

 

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<p>but even in small images 5D image quality looked stunning (probably because been taken and processed by experienced and pro photographers)..</p>

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<p>Processing can make a difference, but it won't fix a bad capture.</p>

 

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<p>images seemed to lack in contrast and sharpness...</p>

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<p>Contrast is easy to adjust after the fact. Sharpness depends on your shooting discipline and the accuracy of focus.</p>

 

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<p>I respected the opinions from the big reviewers and experienced photographers' recommendations and got one...</p>

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<p>Your own experience is the most important measure.</p>

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<p><br />Yes it is possible to get good results with this camera too but it requires 3 times more effort, work and time to make it close to my photos taken with 30D.</p>

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<p>No one ever claimed that it was easy to get optimal performance from a high MP camera.</p>

 

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<p>Center weighed auto focusing was much better on my 30D...</p>

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<p>There's no such feature as center-weighted autofocus. Center-weighter refers to a metering pattern.</p>

 

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<p>the easiest and the most obvious proof is that photos taken with my 70-200 f4 L IS (the king of sharpness) are not sharp anymore...</p>

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<p>Was the shutter speed fast enough to make camera motion a non-issue? Did you fine tune the camera's autofocus with this lens? Did you try focusing manually in Live View? Did you adjust the diopter in the viewfinder to match your eyesight? Are you old enough to need reading glasses to see the LCD screen clearly (for focusing in Live View)?</p>

 

<p>"There's no such feature as center-weighted autofocus. Center-weighter refers to a metering pattern"<br>

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Good catch, entirely missed that ...<br>

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<p>>> Yep.. Here comes another 7D hater... I own this camera for 3 weeks and and my last word is I'm disappointed and I hate it... I just can't rely on it anymore...<br />I used 30D for 7 years..</p>

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<p>No reason to read anymore. Laughable. -Ken</p>

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<p>>> Yep.. Here comes another 7D hater... I own this camera for 3 weeks and and my last word is I'm disappointed and I hate it... I just can't rely on it anymore...<br />I used 30D for 7 years..</p>

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<p>No reason to read anymore. Laughable. -Ken</p>