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note that i'm refering to second hand lens !

I first bought a 75/4,5 grandagon N, but despite is image circle, when i was using a small

amount of movements, corners were poor (not sharp, and some blue parts...)

Then, i sold it and bought a super angulon 75/5,6 MC from 1980, i found it to be good in

therm of color, but when i've made a big enlargement, it appear to be not as sharp as my

others lens.

So, i was shopping for a new one, and finally bought a big 72 XL, yes it's big, but

considering all the stuff i have to carry anyway, it doesn't change a lot ... i'm very please

with the result, even in 6x9, it's very sharp ... now i'm looking for a center filter for my

architectural shots in 4x5.

I first bought it for a special report in 4x5, but now it becomes my favorite 6x9 lens !

If you need movements, i will go for the 72XL.

I bought mine one month ago, and now i'm shopping for the center filter, with slides and

movements it's mandatory !

The lens is big, heavy, it requires an expensive center filter, the back element is also big ...

bug considering image circle and overall quality, it's the best in this focal (65 to 75).

I use it for 6x9 and 4x5, and i'm very happy so far !

I have the oportunity to buy a second hand leica 5x focusing loupe current version,

is it a good option for ground glass focusing ?

don't forget that you need a lot of stuff with your camera : lens, folders, good heavy

tripod, lightmeter, darkcloth, bag or case, focusing loupe...

Anyway, i will buy a second hand Arca swiss (discovery, basic, or fline) myself !

http://www.viewcamera.com/images/focalchart.gif

A 150 mm lens is a 150 what ever you are using a 6x7 back, a plain 4x5 or 24x36.

This is it for the focal lenght, but a 150 is a normal lens for 4x5 and become a long lens

for 6x7.

To have the same angle of view (150mm in 4x5) you need a 90 with your 6x7 back (it's

better to take a 100 apo symmar or apo sironar S, than a 90).

Inverse ; to have the same angle of view (150mm in 6x7) you need a 240 with your 4x5.

it depends on a lot of things !!! subject, available light, max. F stop of the lens, fresnel or

not, bright focusing screen or not, and actual focal length !

A 240 f9 seems brighter than a 75 f5,6, that's life.

With wide angle it's sometimes difficult to use a reflex viewer, because you need to move

your eyes to see some part of the image (direction of light !).

I would try first to use a fresnel, a good dark cloth, if it's not enought then f5,6 or 4,5 lens

have to be in you wish list for santa !

Reflex viewer is very good sometimes, but it does not brighten the image at all !

Using a 180/5,6 in daylight it's very easy ... using a 65/8 in rising sun it's an other story !

there is two differents Horseman 6x7,120 roll film holder.

One is for 4x5 graflock camera, and it fits 4x5 camera ...

the second fits 6x9 camera only (horseman 6x9, arca 6x9, Fline 69...), and it's call a baby

graflock. You need the second style, baby graflock.

For 6x7, Rb back is a good and cheaper alternative !

From the bh website :

Horseman Roll Film Holder 2 (6x7 cm/120 Film/10 Exposures) for VH & Horseman 6x9

Cameras with a Rotating Back

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Note: These backs are based on the standard 2x3" type Graflok camera backs but will NOT

fit all cameras equipped with a 2x3 Graflok back. These backs will fit all Horseman 6x9

cameras (VH, VH-R, 980 etc.), Arca-Swiss 6x9 Cameras, the early Graflex Crown/Speed

Graphic 2x3 cameras with a Graflok back and the Graflex XL cameras. They will NOT fit the

Graflex 2x3 Century Graphic Cameras or Mamiya Press cameras with a Graflok back.

you can find people with complaints about the technikardan, but none about arca swiss

camera. Exept the fact that technikadan is a little more compact, there's no reason not to

buy an arca !

Did you consider Arca Fline or the new Misura ?

if movements are very important then go for the regular Fline 45 compact (maybe metric)

and orbix.

If you have enought movement with the misura, then go for it.

Avoid the arca field, it was a good compromise for landcape, but now you have the lighter

misura !

if you need a lot of stuff with the camera and price and availability in second and is

important then go for the sinar ... if quality and pleasure to use is important then go for

the Arca, a far better option in my opinion ! I've use linhof, sinar ... and now i have two

arca, and don't want to change anymore !

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/lenses/LF4x5in.html

With this lens, your max rise in lanscape is 53 mm ... anyway i use to have this combo, and

i change it, not because of the lens, but because of the lack of movements with the linhof

and shorter lens for architecture !

If you consider a 110 xl, while longer focal lens, it will allowed you to use more

movements, because the 90 comes very close to the box !

if your goal is Mechanical Medium Format camera with tilt/shift movements and no 4x5, i

will go with an arca swiss Fline 69 compact orbix !!!

150 Symmar S cheap on ebay for around $250

considering the total amount of equipment you need, i will go for a sironar S 150 instead

(larger image circle, or at list an apo symmar or sironar N)

best option is the :

Mamiya Power Drive Back 120/220 (6x8) for RB67????

if you can find 6x8 writing on your revolving back, then you can use it directly, otherwise

you need a Mamiya Revolving Back Adapter (Replacement) for RB67 Pro SD

check BH for more infos ...

On an arca swiss Fline 69 it's possible to use several Roll film holders with the 611016

adaptator ... Mamiya RB ( pro, proS, 6x7 and 6x8 electric), Arca/Horseman baby graflock

69.

While there's plenty of Rb back second hand, and some horseman 67, i would have some

user report of different backs with an arca swiss Fline 69, and specially the 6x8 electric

from mamiya.

Thanks

do most clients expect a full 4x5 setup with all of the movements?

Here in France, most of them don't want to pay 4x5 stuff anymore !

I beleive that the best choice is arca swiss F line 69 metric orbix and roll film !

Yes, you can use a 4x5 camera with a roll back, but it weight more, it's bigger, the ground

glass is not dedicated to 6x9, binocular viewer is a dream but quite big in 4x5, and 4x5

have less movements with short lenses !

If later you need 4x5, you will be able to ad a 4x5 back and a new bellow !

With medium format, you can have cheap prints (fuji frontier) from neg and ekta.

Here in france, shooting 6x9 cost 5 time less than 4x5 !!!

Skip the linhof, because you can't adapt it to 4x5 later !

for 6x9 i will take : 47 or 55 / 75 or 80 / 150 lenses ...

Other alternatives :

The arca swiss misura 4x5 with 6x9 super rollex or horseman back

D slr Canon 1Ds mark 2 with 24 and 45 TSE with some limitations

start with a 110 xl, ad a modern 150 or 180 (apo symmar L or apo sironar S are the best)

if you main goal is 4x5, then ad later a 72 xl and a 240 Fuji A

If needed, then you will buy a apo grandagon 55 or a 47 xl.

But remenber that will will need expensive center filters also, this is the reason why, i've

skip the 72xl (too large filter) and bought a SA 75/5,6, so my 55 / 75 and 110 share the

same filter (67) !

In order to save money, you can buy a second hand SA 121 MC or a super symmar HM 120

instead of the wonderfull 110, and a regular apo symmar or an apo sinonar N instead of

the L and S.

"I can use front movements to avoid "level photos. But I don't like to be obligeded to use

the tripod always"

you want to use shift without tripod to control the perspective, but the don't forget that a

technika is not a reflex camera, for accurate framing, you need the ground glass !

http://www.i-love-epson.co.jp/products/scanner/f3200/f32004.htm

Epson Photo-PCFactory F3200 3200dpi. scanner

Scanning possible independently (without using computer)

Can be connected directly with printer

For films and print/paper

Film: 35mm, 6x18, 4x5 inches

210mm (w) x 250mm (d) x 94mm (h), 2.8kg.

2.5-inch monitor

Compatible with 6 memory cards

2.8kg weight. Open price (rumor is around 500$)

multi coated Copal 1 shutter, serial number 632174 caps and agaion hardly used

condition, except tiny dent to rear lens ring.? Cost including shipping ?387.00.

i'm in the process to buy a Fuji 300 f8.5 Fujinon C MC / Copal 1 , the serial number is

632XXX, what is the age of that lens ? is it the current version ?

i was in the process to buy an apo ronar 240/9 mc to use it with my arca swiss f line 45 to

shoot architecture, then i've found that fuji lens ... do you think it will be as good as the

apo ronar for 4x5 ?

The reason why i'm thinking of buying it over the ronar, is just because it covers 8x10 ( i

hope some times, i will buy a 8x10 back and bellow..),

but the priority for now is best quality for 4x5 use !

any suggestion welcome.

Thanks !

not exactly the same purpose, but when you are looking for this type of camera, you have

to consider the cambo wide DS, and the monorail Arca swiss Fline 69 metric !

The good point with the arca is that you can use every LF lenses available (much cheaper) !

I'm french, so i can try a quick translation of the text for you...usually, you have to deal

with my poor english, now you can benefit from my native langage !

Note that this is not a professionnal translation, and this text is for the french market ...

"Information en provenance de ILFORD Imaging France

---coming from ILFORD Imaging France

Bonjour à Tous,

---hello everybody,

Ce petit mot pour vous donner quelques précisions sur la situation des produits Ilford

après la restructuration en cours.

---Just few words to clear the situation about our restructuration

Une grande partie des produits NB actuellement présents en magasin sera toujours

disponible.

---A major part of our BW products will still available in shops.

Ce statut, à ce jour, sera sans doute amené à évoluer un petit peu, mais les grandes lignes

sont tracées.

---This is subject to change, but major guidelines are drawn.

Côté films, FP4+ et HP5+, et la gamme Delta (100, 400 et 3200) seront toujours

fabriqués, en 135 et 120. Par contre, les plans-films disparaîtront très probablement du

catalogue.

---About Films, FP4+ et HP5+, and Delta (100, 400 et 3200) still be made in 135 et 120,

but

large format film production will probably disapear from catalogue !

Pour les papiers, vous continuerez à trouver dans les magasins les gammes MGIV RC et FB,

MG FB Warmtone, et le papier à grade Ilfospeed dans les grades 1, 2 et 3.

---Considering papers, you will be able to find MGIV RC et FB, MG FB Warmtone, and

grade

paper Ilfospeed in 1, 2 et 3 in shops.

Concernant les livraisons de nos produits, il est vrai que la situation de l?Angleterre

perturbe notre distribution mais nous sommes en train de réorganiser les circuits

d?acheminement de nos produits pour vous les rendre disponible au plus vite.

---Considering delivery, in regards to our situation in england, some delay is espectable...

due to restucturation...

"Enfin, quelque soient les évolutions d?Ilford et de ses produits, il n?est pas pensable

comme j?ai pu le lire dans ce forum que certains imaginent arrêter la photo sous prétexte

de ne plus trouver tel ou tel produit en rayon.

Vous êtes des passionnés d?images et apparemment d?images NB. Vous devez continuer à

entretenir votre passion, révéler votre talent, et créer les images qui ravissent vos proches.

Une vie professionnelle et personnelle bien remplie ne me permettent pas de participer

aux forums très régulièrement, mais j?invite les personnes qui le souhaitent et le peuvent

(et pas trop allergique au numérique ;-) ) à venir rencontrer l?équipe ILFORD cette semaine

sur notre stand à Apple expo, Paris-Porte de Versailles, jusqu?à samedi soir 19h. "

---BlaBla..what ever hapen to ilford, you have to continue to make pictures...let's meet at

apple expo in paris...

Encore merci pour votre soutien !

Bien cordialement,

---Thanks a lot for your support, yours truly

Stéphane Douville

Directeur Marketing et Communication

ILFORD Imaging France "