DickArnold

I am bicameral. I have a 17 year old very sharp 70-200 2.8L non IS that I will never give up, it is too sharp. Alternatively I have a new 100-400 en route to here as we speak. We will see how it works.

I don't think there is much wrong with the 6D for swimming. I am pretty sure I could make it work as I did when I got desperate for shutter speed with 5D. I think, from my experience, you will lose a lot of pictures trying to manually focus. I shot with single point focus for years doing sports. IMO it works. When I shoot fly or breast stroke, being a swimmer myself I just move with the swimmer and I can get at least a couple of each swimmer by accounting for shutter delay but the 7DII is pretty damn quick.. I do shoot from the deck. I like shots from an angle like the one I posted. You lose facial depth sometimes head on although you can then lower your shutter speed a bit. My 7DII still does not shoot underwater so I shoot a lot for some insurance. I use a 17 year old 70-200 non IS L. It is unbelievably sharp. The picture above was taken with that lens and has some noise reduction applied. .With ISO 6400 I can get around a thousandth of a second at BU although that varies. Shooting below that speed, I think, has a sharpness penalty. You can also get a keeper or two at five frames a second catching the apex of the stroke.

I routinely shoot swimming meets. I shoot two large meets annually at Harvard and BU. Light is difficult because at BU as I get changing window light and artiificial light in some of the same pictures. Four or five years ago I occasionally used a 5D to get higher ISO. Up until this month I used a 7D and a 70D. The 70D is very good. Occasionally, with official concurrence I use flash when shooting into back light from the north windows when the swimmers were finishing south. I did this months BU meet with a 7DII. I got better action because the camera for me is intuitive when using ITR. The big technical change is the camera uses exposure color discriminating sensing to follow the subject when once one locks onto the initial subject. I am getting starts at ten frames per second that are followed into entry with all in focus. If you want to get the best for less than the 7DII at 1800 dollars, I think used 70Ds are selling at low prices. I have gotten some really good pictures with it. I have done ISO 3200 successfully with it. I shot the current meet at ISO 6400 with the 7DII. After LR noise reduction I got some very good prints at 8.5x11 with it.<div></div>

The single wing in that pic just looks awkward to me.

I just did not like the look of the airplane. I like the subsequent one better. There are no rules. I think all of the pictures are quite good.

I am a long time military and civilian pilot and sometime photographer of airplanes. Eastern airlines has been out of business for many, many years. I do not like that picture as one keeps looking for the rest of the airplane. The airplane in landing flare or more likely taking off looks better. Although the quality is good the above pictures do not, IMO, have much dynamism. I have some airplanes in my PN gallery that have mostly been done at airshows. Some of those are not that great technically but they are of airplanes that are maneuvering, flying formation, doing aerobatics etc. I just got a new 7DII with a great new focusing, tracking and exposure system that I have just used to photograph a large swim meet with really good success. I cannot wait to shoot some airplanes in a show with this camera. Backlight is a nemesis and it is hard not to wash out the sky behind. If you shoot propeller driven airplanes you need to get shutter speeds below 1/200th to keep from freezing the props. You need to track the airplane to get a decent picture.

I shoot raw only. I do convert to jpegs for the web. I just use LR noise reduction at about half. I never got over ISO 3200 with the 7D and preferred 1600. I have not yet tried other sports or wilfife yet with the 7DII.. .

Lupo it was case 2. I used some single point, and all others including tracking. I thought, after I got going that the camera was easy to use and responsive in all modes.

This arena is not that bright. These pictures are all taken at ISO 6400. That means I got fast shutters. Look at the quality of these pictures at this ISO. I used NR but they are pretty damn sharp compared to what I got in the same arena with the 7D at 16 and 3200. The tracking is truly an advancement over my previous 7D and 70d. All of the above were taken with the 7DII. I got a lot more of that quality.

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I am a swimmer myself. So I move in motion with the swimmers on the fly and breast stroke. I miss my share but that has nothing to do with the camera. Getting swimmers has to do with technique not the camera. I did well with the 7D. I'll try and post a couple with the 7D.<div></div>

I am not a gear head but I have over the years produced a lot a salable and usable pictures. I have done sports since 1997 both for a paper and in the last seven years for the club I shoot for now. Previously in swim meets the best I could comfortably do was ISO 3200 with a 70-200 2.8L shooting mostly at 3.2 or 2.8. I am always dealing with dual WB from window and artificial light. My earlier pictures were acceptable for the web but it was hard to get real sharpness because of minimally acceptable shutter speeds like 1/500th shutter speed or even a 250th in dark corners both with a 7D and a 70D. I just did a three day meet at Agannis Arena at BU with a 7DII. All pictures were taken at 6400 ISO. These pictures were exceptionally clear with good color because I was able to obtain shutter speed of a 750th to a thousandth or higher. I applied some noise reduction globally in LR. This increased ISO capability combined with improved focus, capture and tracking capability have really improved my work. Today after earlier web posting of pictures I printed some pictures for certain swimmers. The prints in color, sharpness and clarity exceeded my expectations. My keepers have gone up. I ultimately bought the 7DII because I wanted at least a stop better acceptable ISO for the conditions I sometimes shoot in and I wanted better capture and focus capability than I had been living with. The camera exceeded my expectations. I shot without flash in bad light for the first time in several meets. I work from the deck and can get quite close. I found the 7DII highly intuitive and it worked in all focusing modes and the tracking on starts was accurate and consistently in focus at 10 fps. As a long time cynical user of Canon products I thought some folks what like to hear about actual use of the camera.

I insure my gear as a result I am more relaxed about safety from theft or a clumsy drop (which I have done).

I think everyone is making sense here. Go over to that other site where they constantly fight about how many angels can dance on that pin or how much better is 2db dynamic range one over the other in deep shadow when pushed four stops. I just did the best NE fall series I've ever done with a "lowly" 70D. I will take that same camera to a five hundred person, three day swim meet soon and it will be more than adequate. I like the touch screen and the full axis tilting screen as well. To tell the truth I could and have done all this with several earlier Canon bodies over the years. The new cameras have more flexibility and better focusing but DSLRs have been able to make really good pictures for a long time. DXO, IMO is about numbers, not pictures.<div></div>

<p>Please share your thoughts with us. I am on the fence awaiting a real tests of 1600 and 3200. I shoot indoor swimming where 3200 is necessary. I get by with a 70D but would like to improve keepers by getting better focus and ISO.</p>

<p>Please share you thoughts with us. I am on the fence awaiting a real tests of 1600 and 3200. I shoot indoor swimming where 3200 is necessary. I get by with a 70D but would like to improve keepers by getting better focus and ISO. </p>

<p>I used an EOS 1N doing weddings. Simple and has some weather sealing. I liked it a lot.</p>

<p>Canon EF 17-40.</p>