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<p>Developing N+2 would be the wrong direction. This is an

overexposure, so pulling would be indicated, and there's no need to

use a speed increasing developer. It turns out that this is no big

deal, though, as the speed of HP5+ in many developers is close to

200 anyways (I use this stuff almost exclusively, and always at

around EI 200). I once did exactly this same thing and developed

normally in D-76 1:1 (not realising my mistake until later). Negs

were not at all unusable, just a bit thick. I'd use D-76 and cut

maybe 15-20% off whatever the suggested time is.</p>

<p><i>I will shoot some pictures in Paris in a week, but I heard

that the french have some new stupid laws that forbid to take photos

of people in public without their agreement.</i></p>

<p>Of course, if the French have any laws that you don't like you're

always free not to go to France. It is worth noting that the

"street photography" point of view is not the only one.</p>

<p><i>You don't see - or don't have the background to understand -

the nature of its domestic coverage.</i></p>

<p>It's true that I rarely see the domestic BBC news (other than on

the web), as we only get the BBC international news in Canada (at

least, with my student-cheap basic cable). But some of these things

are matters of opinion: I don't think the BBC's coverage on Israel

(at least, the stuff I've seen) is `anti-Israel', just that it's not

as decidedly <i>pro</i>-Israel as American "journalism". I guess

the real point is that although the BBC might be an instrument of

propaganda to a certain degree (again, far less than the privately

run media outlets), it's main concern is probably not making the

intelligence community's job easier; more likely the main concern is

making the BBC's job easier. In fact, didn't I just see an episode

of Spooks that was essentially a strong criticism of suggestions to

create a "Minister of Intelligence"?</p>

<p>I'm not saying that there isn't any propaganda in the

entertainment industry: the movies "Black Hawk Down" and "Pearl

Harbour" are perfect examples, but I think this was probably more a

case of showing what the world is becoming rather than trying to

influence people.</p>

<p><i>I bet the police wouldn't dare harass an "ethnic minority" taking photos. But that's the police all over these days, they only go for easy targets like motorists and photographers, and let paedos and terrorists run hog-wild.

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<p>I think that they think they ARE going after child molesters. And ethnic minorities are constant targets, the assumption being that there is some connection between dark skin and "terrorism" (it's simple-minded, but the assumption exists).</p>

<p>Uhmm... it's just a TV show (although it is a pretty good one, compared to the abject crap we get in North America). And it's quite plausible that some PJ would hand over film in the name of "patriotism", or some other garbage. It hasn't hit the UK nearly as hard, but many prominent newspersons in the USA have reiterated in recent years that they would never report anything that they thought would jeopardize "national security", or even just reflect negatively on the government. There might be the odd PJ in the UK with similar "nationalism-before-journalism" views.</p>

<p>As for the BBC being propaganda: I read the website from time to time, and compared with the privately run jobs in North America (for some reason seen as more trustworthy than publicly controlled media) I find it quite reliable.</p>

I was there in April, and I quite liked one waterfall that was a bit

off the highway. I think it was called Horse-tail falls, but if it

wasn't... you won't find it :). I was on a short hike that loops up

above Oneota gorge, which is also quite nice, and it was one of

those falls that you can walk behind (in fact you have to walk

behind it). I also brought a lovely souvenir back with me to

Canada: bed bugs!

Wait. Why do stainless steel tanks give you more even development?

I've been in Paris for five weeks now and I have yet to go see the Cartier Foundation, but I think that would be the place to go. The address is in the link posted by the previous poster, but roughly speaking it's at the south-west corner of Montparnasse cemetary (a hop, skip, and jump away from my room which makes it even more shameful that I haven't yet been).

<p><i>My suggestion is that religion be done away with - then no more killing in any god's name. Whoa! Imagine that one?</i></p>

<p>I guess this is now way off topic, but I think this idea only works at first glance. Contrary to the impression one might get from CNN and other American news networks, these beheadings (and the actions of groups like Al Qaeda) have very little to do with any religious beliefs. The kidnappings are largely for the purpose of extorting money, or driving away foreign armies for the purpose of securing power. Religion is just a superficial justification (used in the same way that it's used in many western countries, like when Bush announced that god told him to invade Iraq). If it were gone it would be replaced easily by something else, like the nationalist jingoism pushed by the American leadership.</p>

<p>The point is that religion is a very superficial part of all of this. Connecting your average Muslim to these sorts of acts is like connecting your average christian to abortion-clinic bombings or the Oklahoma City bombing. For that matter, one might as well cast extra suspicion on people with blond hair, as they are more likely to be members of the Aryan nation.</p>

Oh yeah: if you really want to stick it to the man, shoot LF. The

man hates that. He HATES it. The man likes digital cameras.

I'd just shoot 35 exps. I find that the rows of six don't contanct

print well. And 8X10 paper is around because of 8X10 film. 35mm

film is only a small percentage of the market, most of which lives

and dies by the demands of the 8X10 large format B&W consumer :).

Seriously, though, 6X9 is a very nice print size, and it fits nicely

on an 8X10 sheet. You want to leave a little border for aesthetic

reasons anyways, don't you?

Craig, Toronto's quite far away from where I live, and even farther

away from where I am right now, so going there was not really an

option. As for the RCMP comment: I still don't really understand

your point, other than that you're a bit scared of muslims. This

guy didn't cut off anyone's head. If you have evidence that he did,

please bring it to the RCMP. Otherwise, stop slandering him just

because of the colour of his skin.

It's also a good idea to keep these variations in temperature in

perspective. My temperature control method, now that I'm away from

the temperature controlled taps in the darkroom I use back home, is

this: I fill up a bunch of 1.5 litre bottles with tap water, and let

them sit in the bathroom overnight. They're going to be pretty

close to room temperature, and when I dev. the tank will heat up,

but it should be more-or-less the same each time. I'm not using a

spot meter for many of my shots, so subtle variations in temperature

are inconsequential. I'm also printing on multigrade paper. If you

ARE using a spot meter, zone system (with sheet film), and printing

on graded paper, of course, the developer temperature makes a much

larger differnce.

<p><i>It's a lot safer to complain about Canada than it is to

complain about co-religionists who apparently find it acceptable to

saw off heads, bomb trains, hotels, and fly airplanes into high

rises.</i></p>

<p>What do beheadings have to do with this case?? This man isn't a

terrorist (as far as we know), and has no real connection to

terrorists. I find the connection of this story to those events

horrifically offensive. Ok, so he goes to the same mosque as some

people suspected of having ties to terrorist organizations. I

probably shop at the same Safeway as someone suspected of having

ties to terrorist organizations. That and 25 cents gets you a phone

call. This is simply another example of racism in the name of

"security". If I were in Toronto I'd go. I don't think I want my

country joining the ranks of those who persecute muslims.</p>

<p>If you don't shoot a lot of B&W I strongly recommend using XP2

and getting it done. I love B&W, but I think that the whole point

of true B&W film is to dev and print it yourself. If not, I think

the results you get will be no better looking than chromogenic

(unless you have been doing a lot of B&W and getting it developed at

a lab you know well, etc.).</p>

<p> I second the doubts about "grainless" 24" X 36" prints from 6X9.

That's more enlargement than an 8X12 from a 35mm neg, and at that

degree of enlargement the grain in any traditional B&W film (other

than maybe techpan) is easily visible. Maybe not pronounced, but

visible. That's also part of the beauty to traditional B&W.</p>

I have another question for Paris locals on this forum (or anyone

else who knows). My 55mm lens for my Mamiya TLR has just died on

me. It probably needs a CLA. Is there a reliable, inexpensive

place that someone can recommend?

Thanks for the link Dave. This seems fairly conclusive. It's all

somewhat meaningless to me, as only one of these (Bergger) is

readily available where I live (Vancouver), and it's fairly

inexpensive (enough that shipping in other film is almost

pointless). But I'm glad to get a concrete answer on this. As I'm

sure you know, there are lots of claims made here that are

unsubstantiated and based on rumours (i.e., "All Tri-X in any form

will cease to exist next Tuesday at lunch time." or "Tri-X and HP5+

are identical.").

<p><i>The original poster says he shoots ISO 400 films at 250. What

he really means is that for the types of scenes he shoots, his meter

is 2/3 stop off.</i></p>

<p>Are you sure that this is what he means? Maybe he's using

programme mode on his auto-everything SLR, in which case exact ISO

ratings are a bit of a joke. But maybe he's using a spot meter and

carefully adjusting exposure in 1/3-stops, and just happens to have

realized that the films he mentions (like most print films) have

been over-rated by their manufacturers, for simple marketing

reasons.</p>

<p>I'd suggest Neopan "1600" at 800 (probably still a slight

underexposure) or, if you like the pushed look, Tri-X or HP5+ as

recommended above. Tri-X at 800 in Diafine is fairly nice.</p>

<p><i>Arista.EDU films are Forte (like Bergger,</i></p>

<p>I'm not saying that this isn't true, but I've heard this claim a

lot and I'm curious what the evidence for it is. I don't have a box

in front of me, but I was fairly certain that Bergger claimed to be

made in France. And a test done by someone here a while ago (I

can't find the thread) seemed to indicate that the two (Forte 200

and Bergger 200) had different speeds. Anyway, if I'm wrong and it

says "made in Hungary" on the box.... it still might be made by

Forte but be a different formula. Again, someone might have

evidence which will convince me.</p>

I've often been a bit annoyed by this as well. Questions like "Do I really need stop bath", "What's the difference between HP5+ and Tri-X", and "I just developed my first roll of film -- by the way I have no question" seem to repeat themselves almost weekly. And I have seen a few posters just reply with links to previous threads (and no words, which is a bit terse) or "DO a search for <insert key words here>". I've suggested a FAQ, and there is one of sorts, but changing the format of the FAQ requires a change at the Photo.net level, not just some work for the moderator.

Drug dogs? Your school isn't, perchance, in an airport? I had a

fire alarm go off a while ago in the middle of my developing cycle

(I use a darkroom in a university). I dumped out my rodinal, rinsed

once with water, and then filled the tank with clean water. When

the crisis was over (a false alarm, but a few months earlier there

was a small fire in that building, so I didn't want to take a

chance) I mixed up some fresh rodinal and picked up where I left

off. The film was HP5+, and it was fine.

Hi all (although this is directed at the Paris contingent here): I

am staying in Paris until the end of the year, for school, and I was

wondering if anyone knew of any good public darkrooms. The place I

am studying is math-only, and so there's not likely to be a darkroom

there (nor a photoclub). Any information on darkrooms of all kinds

(pay, student, etc.) would be useful. Merci, et au revoir.

 

PS : What is "a darkroom" in French, anyways? I can make lots of

logic guesses, but I don't know the term that is actually used.

<p>So... back in 1973 (before I was born) there was a heavily

publicized beef shortage in areas of the united states.

Interestingly enough, recent research (by crazy people who sift

through garbage) shows that people, during this time, bought so much

beef that they had to throw a lot of it out. It seems that in many

areas there was no shortage of beef at all, except that caused by

people buying up all the beef they could in a panic. A classic

self-fulfilling prophecy.</p>

<p>I thought about this while mulling over whether or not I should

buy up a large amount of HP5+ when we don't yet know the fate of

Ilford, and if there would be any left by the time we did. I

cleared out my favourite camera store's entire stock of FP4+ in

120... but they only had 4 rolls anyways (which I think was just a

coincidence).</p>