Allen Herbert Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 The person who's making the purchase for an unfair price still presumably knows A little old lady...get real. Are you trying for votes. You really do not need to bend! Okay, sorry ,in your job,maybe! Find another job..be you! one life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike dixon Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 Followup to my last post: What if the person having the garage sale is a little old lady?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chip l. Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 Allen, The job market may be better here in the states, but it isn't that good. I think Mark's comments indicated his situation well. I think that if he could get a job that he enjoyed for $10 an hour tomorrow he probably would. He is genuinely disturbed by the actions that day IMO. Whether it rises to the level of quiting without another job, that is for Mark to decide. Being a working stiff myself, I am among those that go from paycheck to paycheck at times. For me this does not rise to that level, unless facts are missing. To others: It is now being raised that it was a old widow lady that got cheated. Would it matter that it was a man? From the comments its seems for some that it would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 Huh? Am I the only one that sees the two RATIONAL sides of the coin? Mark didn't witness a murder. It was a deal HE identified as being unfair. But there IS a possibility the unfairness wasn't as great as he imagined. He spoke up and said something to the collegue. He wasn't fired for doing so, so the collegue ISN"T the boss. Now, he is thinking about bringing it up to the boss. The way I would do it would not to make it confrontational. Mark, simply state the facts and the collegues' response to your feeling it was unfair. Ask for the business reason so you can better understand the stores' POV on aquiring such gear. Bet it is similar to my rationale and the other person who did the math on this thread. If not, then you can quietly look for another job and when you quit tell them exactly why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 What if the person having the garage sale is a little old lady?? Morals my friend, go figure. Forget the smart answers. Chip, just stop it, you know what i mean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike dixon Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 Marc, I also noticed that several dirty, beat-up cameras and lenses probably have a market value that's only a small fraction of the $3000 that someone mentioned. But I thought the ethical argument was more interesting . . . ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chip l. Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 I am surprised that no one is refuting my math on the final costs, guess the Morals Squad would rather flog Mark... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 another job and when you quit tell them exactly why. Well, we all have to survive, so perhaps you are right. Me, i would have gone loopy...could not handle ripping off some ones Mom. Right is right...no compromise, i would rather not suvive, if that is the deal. Call me a Dodo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 Morals, not maths! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victor_di_sylvester1 Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 Come on guys. It is obvious that Mark is upset with the transaction but to make personal statements on his ethics in this difficult situation is,in my opinon, not fair. I admire him for posting this workplace situation that caused him discomfort and one that left him very few options. He had to measure the risk to reward to his job and paying his bills. I assume he isn't a manager at the photo store which would have put the responsibity for that transaction on him. If, after speaking to his manager about this transaction he can then decide if he should look for a more ethical workplace. Good luck Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 What if, what what. Scum is Scum...really, it is that simple. Why try to justify it. Only Scum do that. They love the old and weak, and young and helpless. If you ignore it, you are part of it...no justification. Really..your choice. Politics, about power and money. What do they care. Saying the right words to the lemmings, that what matters.Votes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_.1 Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 What's the saying, Liars always figure, but figures never lie? *shrug* (not pointed at anyone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_.1 Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 This reminds me of what happened to my ex-girlfriend: she goes into the Saturn dealership to get her oil changed. Leaking drain plug since the tech didn't tighten it down. Blocks later at an intersection her idiot light lights up- oil pressure! Engine screwed. Goes back to the dealership- we gotta used engine with only 5000 miles on the clock from a wreck. Pop in the "new" engine, everything's fine. If it were me, I'd demand a new engine, since I don't know the history of the used engine. Don't know how it was broken in, whether the oil was ever run low, overheated, etc. Guess it depends on the actor and actee. I thought she got screwed myself. Told the manager I wasn't going to buy a Saturn from them ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_.1 Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 By the way I wasn't around when it happened. I'd have given the managers an ear full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j m shaw Posted April 27, 2003 Author Share Posted April 27, 2003 I appreciate all the positive feedback and respect the negative also. Looking back I should have spoken up, and if the opportunity arose told her to get a second opinion. Lesson learned. I did talk to my co. worker he felt given condition of equip. it was fair or close too????? I am still thinking about talking to my boss?? thanks again. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 want to step outside Mike I'm off to the fight. My money is on Will, seems bigger and more wholesome. The other bloke seems a bit weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 am still thinking about talking to my boss?? thanks again. Mark Be a man,have some bottle, stand up. Have pride in yourself. Money matters, you matter more. Pride in yourself is beyond money. You won't starve. Be a man, not just in name.Don't be a bender. Respect yourself, the world will respect you. Nobody,including yourself, respects a bender...who loves Jude? Only Politicisations . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 Sorry aboot the spelling and grammer...well, not really! so what! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike dixon Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 I assumed William G. was joking with the "step outside" remark. If not, then offering to demonstrate your ethical superiority by threatening to beat up people who disagree with you is the real joke. And you shouldn't assume he'd win. After all, I'd fight dirty. ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 After all, I'd fight dirty. ; ) Hey, talk is cheap! lets get it on. My money is still on Will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 Mike Dixon, alias, Tricky Dicky. Time to call on those lurking friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gib Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 your moral challenge Mike would be when I fell over with a heart attack and you had to decide if you would give me CPR, unless I fell over on you and pinned you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlegaspi Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 <i>dexter legasp, you are a Phil brain, just some sad little Troll. Get a life, and take some decent photos. Plonker!</i><br><br> now that's uncalled for. why do you keep calling names to people who disagree with you? since you typed in pretty sick insults, you should have at least given me the consolation of spelling my name right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic_. Posted April 27, 2003 Share Posted April 27, 2003 If anyone watched 60 Minutes tonight, they would know about the legal ripoff the Halliburton has perpetrated on the US taxpayers with their contract to rebuild Iraq, to the tune of $7 Billion, that's $7,000,000,000, in a no-bid contract. No other bidders were allowed. That's $70 per US family. The contract is secret and cannot be seen by anyone. There are many other contract such as this that go on routinely in DC, yet nobody speaks out about them. As a taxpayer I'm outraged, yet I cannot do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymond_tai Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 Mark, Is there a way to speak to your boss and appeal to his sense of morality and fair play? If your boss backs up your colleague then perhaps you can track down the old lady and call your local newspaper with the story. I guarantee years from now your $150,000 a year job will rest on another moral decision. The fact that you posted this story means it is really bothering you which means you are a decent person so don't let some $10/hr. job compromise your integrity. Life is full of such decisions so start making them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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