Which Mac to upgrade to

[Brad_]

<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/thomas-grove-carter/one-professionals-look-at_b_12894856.html">Here's a recent 2016 15" MBP assessmen</a>t from a video editor using FCP X.</p>

[digitaldog]

<p>Interesting article Brad, thanks. But this will not fly on <em>Planet Eric</em>:<br>

<em>A ‘Professional’ should be defined by <strong>the work they deliver and the value they bring, not their gear</strong>. Use the new MacBook Pro, don’t use the new MacBook Pro. Your audience don’t care. You just have to keep making great work however you can. For me, I love it and I think most people will do too... once they actually touch it.</em></p>

[johne37179]

<p>It depends on what you really intend to use it for. If you are doing any heavy lifting processing of large images you need the best graphics card you can get. I'd spend a bit of time learning about graphics cards and seeing which is installed in the system you intend to purchase and if it can be upgraded if needed. I have a fairly new MacBook Air and take it with me into the field, though it doesn't get much use. I do all my processing on a 27" iMac - I just bought a new one when my 7 year old one died. I got one with a retina screen though I wasn't sure that I needed it. I really don't need it, but I really like it now that I have been using it for a month. It sits next to a 24 inch monitor that is not 4K and there is a discernible difference -- though I use both when processing images (I keep Lightroom up on the 24 and process on the 27.</p>

[digitaldog]

<p>More data points about this from Planet Earth where most of us reside :<br /> http://theweek.com/articles/659358/triumphant-return-pc<br /> In part:</p>

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<p><em>Pundits have been writing obituaries for the personal computer for years now, but Apple and Microsoft just showed that the consumer tech workhorse is still alive and kicking.</em></p>

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<p>Ah, pundits who are wrong, sound familiar?</p>

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<p><em>Apple and Microsoft are nevertheless smart to boot up their PC efforts, <a href="http://www.wsj.com/articles/pcs-are-down-but-not-out-for-apple-and-microsoft-1477841062" target="_blank">said Dan Gallagher at The Wall Street Journal</a>. With nearly 200 million desktops sold globally this year, "a market still exists that tech companies can ill afford to ignore." The Mac alone pulls in nearly $23 billion in annual revenue for Apple —<strong> a tally that would make it 123rd on the Fortune 500 if it were a stand-alone business</strong>.</em><br /> <br /> <em>Now most people have moved on to smartphones and tablets for those activities. That partly explains why these new machines are so expensive (the new MacBook Pro starts at $1,799). "Those price tags are tough for an everyday user to justify, but <strong>professionals</strong> might see the machines as an investment if they're making money by using them."</em></p>

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<p>A<em>"Armchair Strarbucks photographer" (</em>a copy and paste from above<em>)</em> on Planet Eric <strong>or</strong> actual <strong>Pro's</strong> getting all kinds of actual work done at what we know as <em>Starbucks</em> and elsewhere on Planet Earth?</p>

[Brad_]

<p>Andrew... Have any opinion on the recently announced 27" LG 5K display designed in collaboration with Apple? Interfaces to the new MacBook Pro via a <strong>single cable</strong> that provides display data, display control from the laptop, audio, and laptop charging, along with providing three additional USB C ports on the back of the display? It's not a NEC Spectraview, but at $974 and supporting a DCI-P3 gamut, it seems like a decent value.</p>

[digitaldog]

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<p>Have any opinion on the recently announced 27" LG 5K display designed in collaboration with Apple?</p>

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<p>No, sorry. I'm far more interested in a wide gamut color reference display ala Eizo/NEC SpectraView than resolution. Something that allows internal and differing calibrations from the panel itself, with full control over black (Contrast Ratio) etc. </p>

[EricM]

<p>Glass houses, throwing stones...</p>

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<p>According to Apple lots and lots and lots of customers!</p>

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<p>Lots? Sounds like something Eric would say. Do you have data to verify this "lots" or is it, how do you say Andrew, "mumbo jumbo"? Right, it's all hunky dory. Kidding aside though and on a serious note, how about you share with us which MBP you ordered, and the reasoning why are inclined to spend so much cash on a slower and less versatile machine than your current 2013 MBP? I'm also curious if you're aware that they've dropped Nvidia graphics cards and gone with on-board AMD? Seems like a strange move to many as even Nvidia’s entry level el-cheapo notebook gpu, the GTX 1060m, is almost twice as fast as the best AMD option offered for the 2016 MBP. I know it's just on stats on paper but I'm having a hard time imagining what kind of experience we're going to have with this AMD trying to run Lr let alone running it with an external monitor.</p>

<p>I can see Christmas now. People are going to open presents and find that a $1000 iPhone 7 and a $1700 MBP can't be connected with the cables provided. Similarly, you can’t connect your Lightning earbuds to your new laptop. Incredible. I can see the memes now.</p>

[digitaldog]

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<p>Lots? Sounds like something Eric would say.</p>

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<p>Some damn fools can't read the facts<strong> already posted here!</strong><br /> <em><a href="/photodb/user?user_id=361342">Andrew Rodney</a> <a href="/member-status-icons"><img title="Subscriber" src="/v3graphics/member-status-icons/sub10plus.gif" alt="" /><img title="Frequent poster" src="/v3graphics/member-status-icons/1roll.gif" alt="" /></a>, Nov 03, 2016; 02:57 p.m.: In a recent interview, Apple Vice President of Worldwide Marketing Phil Schiller noted that the new model <strong>is the most popular notebook that Apple has ever shipped.</strong></em><br>

<br /> Unfortunately and so sad is only Eric on <em>Planet Eric</em> consistency sounds like something Eric would say!</p>

[digitaldog]

<p>Next, someone from Planet Earth will have to inform <em>Planet Eric</em> who Phil Schiller is, what company he works for and what a VP of Worldwide Marketing does. Plus how Schiller might know about the number of sales after an announcement of the MPG and opening of the Apple store. <br /> I'm sorry the facts continue to ruin your file life on <em>Planet Eric</em>...</p>

[EricM]

<p>The VP of Apple releases a marketing fluff piece and that's were you get your facts from? Okey dokey.</p>

<p>Can you answer the question? Please share with us which MBP you ordered, and the reasoning why are inclined to spend so much cash on a slower and less versatile machine than your current 2013 MBP? </p>

[digitaldog]

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<p>The VP of Apple releases a marketing fluff piece and that's were you get your facts from? Okey dokey.</p>

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<p>On <em>Planet Eric</em> it's <em>fluff</em> which is ironic as all the fluff has come from that location we now know is in a unreality bubble: <em>Planet Eric!</em> On this planet, it's difficult to believe what you do not understand from this fact, again posted above:<br /> <em>Our online store <strong>has had more orders for the new MacBook Pro than any other pro notebook before,</strong>” said Schiller.</em><br /> <em><br /></em>What facts on either Planet Earth on <em>Planet Eric</em> can dismiss what Schiller wrote? Or this:</p>

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<p><strong>Apple already told us that the 2016 <a href="https://9to5mac.com/guides/macbook-pro/" target="_blank">MacBook Pro</a> had set a new <a href="https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/02/phill-schiller-addresses-new-macbook-pro-controversy-explains-why-apple-dropped-the-sd-card-but-kept-the-headphone-jack/" target="_blank">online sales record</a>,</strong> backed by <a href="https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/08/new-macbook-pros-appear-to-be-selling-well-as-supply-chain-report-says-apple-is-raising-components-orders/" target="_blank">supply-chain reports</a> of increased component orders, but <a href="https://intelligence.slice.com/apples-macbook-pro-launch/" target="_blank">Slice Intelligence</a> has provided our first look at the scale of those orders. The company reports that the new models took just five days to outsell every high-profile laptop on the U.S. market.<br>

It has already outsold combined sales of the Dell XPS 13 and 15 – probably the closest equivalents in the Windows world – which have been on sale for more than ten months. It has also sold almost four times as many units as Microsoft’s flagship laptop, the new Surface Book.<br>

The company additionally compared sales to Apple’s own 12-inch MacBook, to see how its pro laptops were faring against its ultraportable model …<br>

<strong><em>Just five days in, the MacBook Pro models had already hit almost 80% of combined 2015 and 2016 MacBook sales – and look set to exceed 18 months of sales in the first week.</em></strong></p>

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<p><br /> <em>“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Søren Kierkegaard</em><br /> A third way is to live in an unreality bubble on<em> Planet Eric....</em><br /> <em><br /></em>So yeah, more foolish text from <em>Planet Eric</em>. Don't you get tired of posting such nonsense here? I'm tired of reading it and wonder who else might be too. <br /> As Benjamin Franklin said: "<em>Experience is a hard teacher, but fools will have no other</em>."<br /> No need to attempt to further teach you about the new MBP, nor safe virus free computing or the facts behind DNG camera profiles or the DNG file format. The experience from facts are lost to those living on <em>Planet Eric</em> I'm afraid. Let's move on unless you insist on more proving more foolish posts from the unreality bubble.</p>

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<p>Please share with us which MBP you ordered, and the reasoning why are inclined to spend so much cash on a slower and less versatile machine than your current 2013 MBP?</p>

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<p>• 2.9GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 3.8GHz<br />• 16GB 2133MHz memory<br />• Radeon Pro 460 with 4GB memory<br />• 512GB PCIe-based SSD<br />• Four Thunderbolt 3 ports<br />• Touch Bar and Touch ID<br />• Force Touch trackpad<br /><br /></p>

<p>My current machine as reported by System Info:<br /> MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Early 2013)<br /> Processor Name:Intel Core i7<br /> Processor Speed:2.7 GHz<br /> Number of Processors:1<br /> Total Number of Cores:4<br /> L2 Cache (per Core):256 KB<br /> L3 Cache:6 MB<br /> Memory:16 GB</p>

<p>So, once again, Eric is wrong, confused and not worth the time listening to (or I'll now add, replying to); he's been shown how foolish his text is for all to see on Planet Earth....</p>

 

[digitaldog]

<p>http://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2016/11/08/new-2016-macbook-pro-sales-defy-criticism-initial-revenue-strong-says-market-researcher/#28d352786194<br>

2016 MacBook Pro Sales Defy Critics: Tops All New Laptops With Shoppers</p>

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<p>The MacBook Pro made more money in 5 days than most laptops in the whole year, Slice added. “In only 5 days the new MacBook Pro’s sales already equal 78 percent of all the revenue generated by the MacBook 12-inch since it became available in April 2015.”</p>

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<p>http://fortune.com/2016/11/09/apple-macbook-pro-sales/</p>

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<p><strong>In its first five days of availability, sales of the MacBook Pro nearly quadrupled that of the <a href="http://fortune.com/fortune500/microsoft-25/" target="_blank">Microsoft</a></strong><strong> Surface Book over the last year</strong>, according to <a href="https://intelligence.slice.com/apples-macbook-pro-launch/">new data</a> from research firm Slice Intelligence. The gap is even wider on other popular computers, including the Asus Chromebook and Dell Inspiron computers.</p>

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<p>http://bgr.com/2016/11/08/macbook-pro-late-2016/</p>

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<p>The new MacBook Pro is selling much better than you (Eric~**) thought<br>

Further reinforcing Schiller’s remarks is a report from Asia that says Apple is increasing component orders for the entire <strong>Christmas</strong> quarter. According to Digitimes, Apple is optimistic about sales in the fourth quarter, and strong shipments are expected to last through the end of the year.</p>

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<p>**<a href="/photodb/user?user_id=788985">Eric ~</a> , Nov 12, 2016; 01:27 a.m:</p>

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<p>I can see Christmas now.</p>

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<p>One has to wonder if you see Christmas more clearly now when such facts are provided. Or the lump of coal coming your way. Probably not. </p>

[digitaldog]

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<p>Please share with us which MBP you ordered, and the reasoning why are inclined to spend so much cash on a slower and less versatile machine than your current 2013 MBP?</p>

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<p>My MBP is due to arrive today, stay tuned. In the meantime, <strong>facts</strong> from Planet Earth about the nonsense above about slower speeds, not only based on my 2013 MBP but the last generation! This is a stock configuration.<br>

http://www.macworld.com/article/3140928/macs/macbook-pro-with-touch-bar-review-the-best-bits-of-ios-in-a-really-great-mac.html<br>

<em>The 15-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar scored 42827 in Geekbench’s OpenCL test when using the AMD Radeon Pro 450 graphics, <strong>which is 38.7 percent better than the last gen</strong>. This model has 2GB of dedicated graphics memory, but you can upgrade to a Radeon Pro 460 with 4GB of memory for $200. The 15-inch MacBook Pro also contains an Intel HD Graphics 530 chip that can be used to extend battery life during less-intensive tasks.</em><br>

<em>Using Cinebench’s OpenGL benchmark to further test the graphics, the 13-inch MacBook Pro achieved 36.8 frames per second, which is 27.5 percent faster than 2015’s entry-level 13-inch MacBook Pro, and 9.4 percent faster than this year’s 13-inch MacBook Pro with function keys. <strong>The 15-inch MacBook Pro scored a whopping 70.4 frames per second, which is 13.7 percent faster than the last generation.</strong></em><br>

<em>So does this mean the 15-inch Mac is powerful enough for pro video editors, even with a maximum of 16GB of RAM? Probably. There’s a chance Apple will increase the RAM to 32GB next year if it updates the MacBook Pro line to Intel’s next-gen Kaby Lake processors, but even now, <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/thomas-grove-carter/one-professionals-look-at_b_12894856.html">one professional video editor</a>who uses Final Cut Pro finds the MacBook Pro “buttery smooth.” It’s worth noting that the 15-inch MacBook Pro can drive two 5K external displays, plus the 2880x1800 built-in display, and still have ports for two external Thunderbolt RAID arrays.</em><br>

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[EricM]

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<p>So, once again, Eric is wrong, confused and not worth the time listening to</p>

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Hmm. Odd thing to say when you repeatedly respond with 400 words to my 40.</p>

[digitaldog]

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<p>Hmm. Odd thing to say when you repeatedly respond with 400 words to my 40.</p>

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<p>About those 40 words from Planet Eric:<br /> <em>It is better to say nothing and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.</em> - Abraham Lincoln<br /> It didn't take 40 words to remove any doubt. </p>

[digitaldog]

<p>http://www.powerpage.org/touch-bar-equipped-macbook-pros-sport-new-amd-gpus-can-drive-dual-5k-displays/#more-71052<br>

<em>Apple apparently dropped a killer GPU into the 2016 Touch Bar-equipped 15-inch MacBook Pro and it shows. </em><br>

<em>The company, which switched from Intel’s integrated Iris Pro graphics in favor of dedicated AMD graphics, has opted for AMD’s Polaris-based Radeon Pro 450, Radeon Pro 455, and build-to-order Radeon Pro 460 GPUs in the new 15-inch notebooks. The GPUs support up to six displays, whereas Intel’s integrated GPUs affixed to the logic board can drive a total of three displays. </em><br>

<em>The expanded support enables the new MacBook Pro to drive two of Apple and LG’s new UltraFine 5K displays at 60Hz simultaneously. Intel’s GPUs can’t because, due to bandwidth limitations of the DisplayPort 1.2 spec, the two 5K displays technically function as four displays. This method is known as Multi-Stream Transport (MST).</em></p>

[EricM]

<p>Dogmatic. The Digital Dog-Matic. Want a logo to go with that?<br>

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I don't know man. They have six computers and only "refreshed" one of them. And did it with Skylake. </p>

<p>A point of view of another video editor. <a href="

Macbook Pro 2016 Review: The Sad Demise of Apple</a><br>

<p>That's sound advice. I should have sold off my appl in Oct.</p>

<p>At least I can plug my Nexus 6P (usb-c) into the new MBP without buying any dongles and adaptors. Cook needs to go.</p>

[EricM]

<p>Rare interview!<br>

<a href="

Engineer Talks About New 2016 Macbook Pro</a>

[digitaldog]

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<p>I don't know man.</p>

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<p>That much is abundantly clear and true! </p>

[Uhooru]

<p>Dongles? We don't need no stink'n dongles!</p>

[EricM]

<p>Lol, Barry. Dave's not home! </p>

<p>Andrew, ouch. Could be the beginning of another round of #GPUGate. Not a good start...</p>

<p><a href="/digital-darkroom-forum/forums.macrumors.com/threads/graphic-card-freaks-out-with-brand-new-mbp-2016.2015545/">Graphic card freaks out with brand new MBP 2016</a> forums.macrumors.com/threads/graphic-card-freaks-out-with-brand-new-mbp-2016.2015545/</p>

<p><a href="/digital-darkroom-forum/forums.macrumors.com/threads/graphic-card-issue-new-2016-15-bto.2015343/">Graphic Card Issue? New 2016 15"</a> BTO forums.macrumors.com/threads/graphic-card-issue-new-2016-15-bto.2015343/</p>

<p><a href="/digital-darkroom-forum/forums.macrumors.com/threads/senior-apple-advisor-admits-that-mbps-have-battery-issues.2016044/">Senior Apple Advisor admits that MBPs have battery issues</a> forums.macrumors.com/threads/senior-apple-advisor-admits-that-mbps-have-battery-issues.2016044/</p>

[Uhooru]

<p>Eric, that letter the guy wrote about pros not liking it, seemed like the author hadn't actually used what he was writing about. Is that the case? The issue of not having a matt screen is pretty much ancient history. He didn't seem to discuss the retina screen on the MBP at all which is not as reflective as the pre-retina glossy screens. I don't know about the "dongles". I get the complaint about that. But from people who have actually used it, it seems that it is an excellent performer, not slower than a 2012 model, but designed to have increased video performance for video editing. Isn't that because the trend is to move graphic processing more off the cpu and onto the gpu and that is where the machine shines. Its ability to run 2 5k monitors is pretty impressive. I have a 2014 model, and am not near to needing a new one, but if I did right now, I wouldn't hesitate to get one. I'm not a total pro, but I process a fair amount of images and do weddings here and there where I have a good 800-1000 photos to go through and the thing is great.</p>

[digitaldog]

<p>Barry, it's pointless asking Eric to pose an opinion on something he's got zero experience using. Now if you want advise on infecting all your files, he's got experience there. I've actually got the new MBP; what do you specifically want to know based on <strong>actual experience</strong> (admittedly only 4 days) not FUD?</p>

[sebastianmoran]

<p>FWIW, I'm very happy with the 15" Mac Book Pro mid 2015 model. Should be available at discount since there are newer models.</p>

<p>Even better, if you're wiling to have a desktop, is the 5K iMac. Best display of high res photos and 4K video I've ever seen.</p>

[Uhooru]

<p>I know a few people, not in for photography that have been seriously hacked with some very nasty data encryption hostage programs on windows machines. I don't know if mac is susceptible to that at this time. But a couple of instances were quite serious on more than just an individual dealing with personal pc issues. But yes, when I used windows for my personal pc, I did spend a lot of energy over possible malware, and drivers, etc. Haven't really had that problem with my macs, though still need to be very careful about what you allow to open from the web.</p>