charles_eliason1 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 <p>It does seem that Xtol will become unavailable.<br>Would anyone care to share their opinions on a replacement ?<br>Microphen from Ilford perhaps ?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 <p>Charles where are you looking? I order it from Freestyle but I don't know the country you are in. Also the same stuff is sold under the Legacy pro/Eco pro name.<br> http://www.freestylephoto.biz/747716-LegacyPro-EcoPro-Ascorbic-Acid-Powder-BandW-Film-Developer-to-make-5?cat_id=301</p> <p> </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles_eliason1 Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 <p>Here: <br> http://www.apug.org/forums/forum37/110059-xtol-discontinued.html</p> <p>It seems that Freestyle is out of stock but expecting a delivery in the next couple of days.<br> After this the future seems uncertain and opinionated.<br> B and H no longer shows the product on their website.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 <p>Seeing it is my main developer that could be bad news but I have used the ECO Pro for the last 2 years. Foma also make an equivalent developer.<br> http://www.freestylephoto.biz/70022-Foma-Fomadon-Excel-W27-Powder-Ascorbic-Acid-Film-Developer-to-make-1?cat_id=301</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles_eliason1 Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 <p>My biggest issue with having to change developers is film speed. Xtol always gives me box speed. I am going to hate it if I have to redo film speed tests.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony-S Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 <p>XTOL and Eco Pro are identical formulations. They're even made by the same company.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 <p>BTW ECO Pro is sold by more than just Freestyle.<br> http://www.digitaltruth.com/store/cart/ECO-PRO-B-and-W-Film-Developer-5-Liters.html</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_shriver Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 <p>Most convenient substitute for XTOL is Ilford Ilfotec DD-X. Liquid concentrate, mix what you need, open bottle has shelf life of up to a year. My only complaint is the price, but if you don't use a lot, it's cost effective over throwing out oxidized XTOL stock solution.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustys pics Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 <p>I seem to recall reading that ECO PRO is made by Eastman Chemicals, just like all the other "Kodak" branded chemicals in the past 20 or so years. Eastman Chemical was sold off by the pinheads running Kodak. That turned out to be a good thing because they are independent of them and profitable. So if it's called XTOL or ECO PRO it's the same good stuff. We can only hope the film business at Kodak could thrive as well when cut from the Zombie Board running that company.</p> <p>http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/27/markets/thebuzz/index.htm</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_cogburn Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 <p>Foma Fomadon Excel (W27) Powder (Ascorbic Acid) Film Developer is the same formula as Xtol. I like it. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjscharp Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 And Fomadon Excel is available in 1L packages, instead of the large 5L packages of XTOL, also a plus in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 <p>In 35mm indeed an advantage. In LF not. It's just depending on what volume you need. The differences between Fomadon Excel W27 and Xtol are really very small. It's good stuff.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_trenchard Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 <p>XTOL is not gone, it is now being produced by Tetenal in Germany and is available in the same packaging from several UK retailers. Some Ilford developers (Perceptol & Bromophen at least) are also being made in Germany according to the small print on the packaging.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon_rodan Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 <p>In the US it's <a href="http://www.adorama.com/KKX5L.html?gclid=CM-M1r6z6LMCFYN_QgodpCwAhQ">available from Adorama</a>. I bought 2 packets a couple of weeks ago. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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