fridrik_skulason Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 Yes, yes, I know a similar question has been asked a number of times before, but I am kind of well...lost. The short version of my problem is that I am not entirely happy with my lens set, in particular my "walkaround"lens - I'm looking for something to replace it, but there seems to be no single "obvious" pick, unless I ammissing something. Am I? The long version: Well, I have a 40D. I am contemplating switching to full frame camera in a year or so - meaning that I amprimarily considering either an (relatively) inexpensive EF-S (or 3rd party lens designed for 1.6 crop cameras),or a (possibly more expensive) lens that I could continue using if I switch to full-frame. Budget is not reallyan issue...well, within reasonable limits, of course - no 1200mm lens for me. The lenses I have are: Canon EF-S 10-22 -Use it a lot for landscapes, also some other stuff. Really happy with it, despite some CAproblems it has, but many of my best pictures have been taken with this one. If I switch to full frame, I wouldsell this one with the 40D and get a 16-35 or 17-40 instead. No problems there. Canon EF-S 17-85 - the "kit" lens I bought with the camera - more about this one later. Canon EF 50mm f1.8 - Well, everyone knows this one. Canon EF-S 60 macro - In hindsight, buying this one was a mistake - I should have taken the 100mm instead, but Iwill get that eventually, regardless of whether I switch to full-frame or not. No issues there. Canon 70-200 IS L - What to say .. I love it, and of course there are no problems there if I switch to full-frame. Vivitar 800mm f/8 - A 40 year old manual lens - interesting, but irrelevant to my current problem Now, here is the problem: Sometimes I like going for a walk with just my camera and one lens - I typically do this if I know beforehand Iwill not be taking landscape pictures, or that I will not need a wide angle. So, in my case, that means the17-85. What happens is that I frequently discover that my "walkaround" lens is not ideal - it is not long enough- I am bumping into the 85mm end far more often than the 17mm one. An ideal/reasonable "walkaround" lens for mewould be something like 20-135mm, f4, but of course no such thing exists, so I have to compromise. Also, I amnot 100% happy with the image quality when using the 17-85, compared to what I get with my other lenses. So, what options do I have? I could get something like the 18-200 (new canon lens or the Sigma one, or even the recently announced 18-270from..uh, Tamron, I think, but I don't need all that length, and I'm afraid that the compromises that have beenmade in the design of those lenses would negatively affect what I really need - I doubt the image quality is anybetter than what I get with my 17-85. Also, none of those lenses would be usable on a full-frame camera. A second option would be the 28-135, which is light and convenient as a walkaround lens, with IS, but probablynot wide enough on the 40D, and not long enough on a full-frame. A third option would be the 28-300 L, but it is not really wide enough on my 40D, but pretty much ideal on afull-frame - well, if it wasn't for the weight. A bit heavy for a walkaround lens. The fourth option I was considering was the 24-105 L IS lens - which would give me the extra length og my 40D,but on a full frame I would be back in the same situation as I am in now with my 17-85 ... although with a higherquality lens. The final option is just to admit I will never get a "perfect" walkaround lens, and just resign myself having tocarry my bag around, but even in that case I still would need a replacement for the 17-85 when/if I go full-frame. So, my question - are there any factors I am missing - any options or 3rd party lenses worth considering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobatkins Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 I use a 17-85 on a 40D and a 24-105 on a 5D. Works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 For much of the history of the 35mm camera, the range represented on the 15x22mm crop body by the 17-85mm WAS the full kit, most made do with a 40 to 58mm lens and "sneaker zoom". I'm another happy user of the 17-85mm and have gone on a work/vacation trip with just that lens alone where I didn't want to mess with a full rig. Canon just has a new 18-200mm lens out, so .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangengeman Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 Seems to me that the 28-135 fits your bill *for now*. I would suggest borrowing an 18-200 type lens for a few days, and then try to see what your comfort zone really is. Let's not talk about image quality for a while, and whatever issues you might encounter (CA, vignetting etc), just try to PP your way out of it for a while. Just try to get a feel if you really need quite that much reach and versatility. If you happen to like it, then go. If you don't, then at least you've made a step in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil_fraser1 Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 I don't think there is such a thing as a perfect walkaround lens that suits everything you might come across but, for me at least, the 24-105 f/4 L is close enough. I use it on my 400D and it stays on the camera probably 90% of the time when I'm out and about. If/when you step up to full frame and you need something slightly longer then it's only a few steps in the right direction to get the FOV you need! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.sager Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 Tamron 17-50 F2.8 for now, 24-105L for later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
link Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 Your focal length demands for a "walk around" lens are so all encompassing that you'll need a suitcase to walk around with! You can't have a light weight, comfortable, walking around lens, and be prepared for every possible photo at the same time. I have a FF 5D and for "walking around" I'll put my 35mm f2.0 on or my 50mm 1.4 and put the other lens in a pocket. If I want a wider lens for a landscape, I'll just use the 50mm and shoot a multiple frame panorama shot. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't really understand this "desire" to have so many focal length lenses. At least not all the time and without a specific purpose in mind. My god, I can't imagine wanting to walk around with a 70-200mm f2.8 zoom. Maybe Fridrik has "lens acquisition syndrome"? Though on occasion I have this fantasy of getting a wide Zeiss prime, but there's a limit to what I will spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_green4 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 sounds like you're looking for the ef-s 17-200 (coming in a few weeks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_green4 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 oh, wait. it's the 18-200, not 17-200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwaks Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 There is no perfect walk around lens. Decide your goal for the walk you are going to take. Only then will you choose the "perfect" lens. My choice is always between a 17-85mm and a 70-300mm. It all depends on what I plan to do. I use them with a 40D. A small camera bag would hold the whole kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_green4 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 okay, sorry. didn't get the whole point. maybe a 24-105 or 50 would meet your needs now and if/when you go ff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjb Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 No such animal as a Perfect lens, your answer is simple, a 2nd body, 40d is quite cheap, 10 22 on one,24 105 or new 18 200 the other, 28 135 is same IQ approx as 17 85, o :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_gulati3 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Sigma 30/1.4 for me. Without zoom, I can freely concentrate on aperture, composition and exposure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay a. frew Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Just pick one of your lenses and go for a walk. Use that lens like it is the only one you have. Maybe use that one lens for a month of walks, or, until you learn to "walk" that lens. Could very well be that you won't have the "perfect" lens for every possible scene on that walk...even so, the sun will shine tomorrow. Be happy you have more than one lens to choose from. Cheers! Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckystokes Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 For what you describe, I really believe the perfect walk around lens is a normal lens. In your case this would be something equivalent to a Sigma 30/1.4, and move your feet. Lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony_hicks Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 So to recap, you are.... 1) bumping into the 85mm end far more often than the 17mm one, and 2) not 100% happy with the image quality when using the 17-85. To me that shouts 24-105L. As for a possible switch to full frame, if I was going to the trouble of making that move, I wouldn't want to be compromising image quality (and max aperture) by going for a superzoom of any greater range than the 24-105 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph_martines Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I have a Canon 40 D. My walk around lens is the Tamron 28 - 300 MM / VC. It is light, versatile, sharp and a good all around lens. I was not aware of the heavier Canon 28 - 300 MM l - IS that was available for a considerable amount of more money. Go to your local independent camera store and ask to try the lens there in/around the store. I think you would be very happy with either lens for your versatile walk around lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridrik_skulason Posted September 3, 2008 Author Share Posted September 3, 2008 "...To me that shouts 24-105L..." Yes, that was pretty much my conclusion too, but as I said originally, I was wondering if I was missing something. Thanks for the replies everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_nelson3 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I have been accustomed to carrying a Leica CL, and I am having a hard time justifying carrying any blunderbuss-size zoom. A Rebel-size SLR with maybe a 24 f2.8 prime seems about the best I can get out of Canon digital for compactness and the semi-wide view I like. I am leaning strongly to a Pentax K200D just for the pancake 21mm (cropping out to about a 32mm) for just this purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g dan mitchell Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 It is not a great lens in some ways, but your 17-85 is intended to be a "walk around lens." There is no "perfect" lens in the general sense. Some might love the 24-105 for walk around use on a cropped sensor body, while others would say it is too big and doesn't go wide enough. Some might live the 17-85, while others would have issues over its image quality. Some might like the EFS 18-55 IS kit lens, but others, well, uh, don't want to be seen with an inexpensive lens. Some would love the EFS 17-55mm f/2.8 IS, while others won't use it because either it costs too much or because it lacks a red ring. And so it goes... If you aren't certain, I would keep using the lenses you have - especially the 17-85 - until you can identify the specific features that _you_ want in such a lens. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry_bister Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 "Perfect"? Great goal, difficult to get there as you are finding. I won't pitch this as perfect but for my purposes my EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM has worked out just fine. If I'm in a spot where I can't or don't want to walk around with my bag and all my lenses this is what I take. This lens might not fit everyone's ideal of the pefect walk-around lens but it is flexible enough to cover most of what I need. My frustration level at not having the perfect lens has decreased since I decided I either have to take the whole bag or work with what I've got. That's probably made me a bit more creative. I would probably have bought the EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM but it was priced out of my league. So I can't get quite as wide but the reach is better. Given the price differential this was an acceptable trade-off for me. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel barrera houston, Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 if you are bumping up to the 85 then the old 100-300 f/5.6 L lens would work great, it is light in weight, takes great photos, and looks cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbp Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 IMHO, 24-105 f/4L or 24-70 f/2.8L. Use "foot zoom" as required to extend reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_yu4 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I use the Tamron 18-250 on my Rebel and the 24-105L on my 5D. Beyond 200 is a little too long to be very practical and without IS/VC it is less usable, but most of my shots are within 200mm, it works well for me. (also have a 70-300 IS to supplement) The IQ is very good, especially in relation to its low cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogernoel Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I think "walkaround len" means different shots for different people at differnet times.. I currently have five lenses for my Canon 30D. Canon 50mm f1.8, Canon 17-55 mm f2.8 IS; Sigma 10-20mm f4-5.6mm; Canon 28-135mm f3.5-5.6 IS and the Canon 70-300mm f4-5/6 IS.I just returned from 3 weeks in Germany and Austria. Except for a few instances, the only lens I had on my camera was the 17-55mm lens, and the only other lens I took with me was the Sigma 10-20mm lens. Sure there were a few times when I counld have used a longer lens, but I was on a vacation with my wife and I didn't want to lug my Lowepro bag around with the other lenses. So was my walkaround lens the 17-55mm? I guess so. If I had been down in a wildlife preserve in southern AZ here, I would have had the 70-300mm with my 1.4 telextender. Interesting subject though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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