Fotohuis RoVo Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 A new sucessor of the Technical Pan film is available: http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl/documentatie/Rollei%20ATP_englisch_mail.pdf ATP-V1 is the results of the cooperation between Gigabit and the Rollei/Maco company (Hamburg-Stapelfeld). Here some results of this interesting Technical Pan film with two different low contrast document developers: http://www.flickr.com/groups/bw_film-dev_combinations/discuss/72157602234971784/ Best regards, Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User_502260 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 How does this film compare to Kodak Imagelink HQ and FS films in the areas of grain, sharpness and spectral sensitivity? The HQ and FS films are available in 120 size from Film For Classics. I still have plenty of Kodak Technical Pan in 35mm format but my experiments with the HQ film in 35mm format shows that this is an excellent film too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf_rainer_schmalfuss Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Hi Jeff, if you wish, you can download the technical data sheet of this new film in English under: www.mahn.net Cheers Wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 Imagelink is a micro film and 20-25 iso only. Further the Imagelink has no extended red sensitivity. Rollei ATP-V1 has an E.I. from 25-40 depending from the used developer. A 120 roll film version is expected somewhere in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 http://technical-pan.com/forum/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willscarlett Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Is there any developing info for this film in Rodinal? Also, is it available on in Europe right now or does Freestyle carry it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_mark Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Robert; it's a travesty you call this film TECH PAN. It is not TP by any stretch. It does however have some TP Qualities, and I would promote it on its own merits. Our 1st tests have been very good. Kodak can be Quite nasty when it comes to trade name disputes BTW. It is important to express that this is NOT copex or microfilm. It is a good replacement for TP. I find it also disturbing that photonet allows other companies to post business links and not others. This is a terrible double standard. Robert; it's a travesty you call this film TECH PAN. It is not TP by any stretch. It does however have some TP Qualities, and I would promote it on its own merits. Our 1st tests have been very good. Kodak can be Quite nasty when it comes to trade name disputes BTW. It is important to express that this is NOT copex or microfilm. It is a good replacement for TP. I find it also disturbing that photonet allows other companies to post business links and not others. This is a terrible double standard. There will be a page dedicated to this film on my website, which I wont mention because the photonet god will have a fit. Public venues should be equal to all. [posted on an assistants log in] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 The official name on the Rollei Data sheet is Technical Pan ATP-V1. If Kodak doesn't like this they can address to Rollei/Maco in Hamburg-Stapelfeld. http://www.mahn.net/DL_MAHN/ATP_V1_e.pdf So far I have no info about this film and Rodinal but I will try the Rodinal developer in a high dilution either (1+150 - 1+200). Maybe it works. Diafine could be also a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 ATP-V1 is available in Europe now and you can search on Rollei/Macos' website for their international distributors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willscarlett Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Could someone explain those log and density curves in the PDF file? I've never understood what that means. Also, how does this film compare to Rollei's other ASA 25 emulsions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted October 11, 2007 Author Share Posted October 11, 2007 I will give you a link to a very usefull website in English and German language about B&W film sensiometric data: From the writers of Way Beyond Monochrome: http://www.darkroomagic.com/ and (in German) Schwarz-Weiss Magazine: http://www.schwarzweiss-magazin.de/ A full sensiometric document manual (Systematic Tone Control) including test- and grey cards and wedges can be ordered by Heiland Wetzlar (Germany) or their int. distributors: http://www.heilandelectronic.de/download/systematic_tone_control.pdf Together with a B&W Heiland densitometer you have full control on every film - developer- and photo paper combination, including the understanding of all graphical information and data. http://www.heilandelectronic.de/download/trd_series.pdf To give you some information about international (excl. Dutch/German 19% VAT) prices for above mentioned books and instruments: * Way Beyond Monochrome: Eur. 40,- * Systematic Tone Control: Eur. 70,- * TRD-2 B&W densitometer: Eur. 490,- Best regards, Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted October 11, 2007 Author Share Posted October 11, 2007 About comparing the data to Rollei PAN 25, here the logD curves (35mm and 120 roll film) from this panchromatic iso 25 film with the Tanol (pyro) developer from Moersch. Also searched out by Moersch and our Fotohuis: http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl/documentatie/Tanol_PAN25.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oskar_ojala Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I would be interested in how it works in some popular developers. I use Rodinal and HC-110 and since my film BW volume is low, I'm not too interested in getting some special developer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted October 11, 2007 Author Share Posted October 11, 2007 Rodinal in higher dillutions works only partial as low contrast developer so I am not sure this is going to work with this TP film. Things are brand new and some time is needed to test the right combinations out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I have a whole bunch of Technadol Developer so I will wait untill Freestyle gets some to check it out. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted October 11, 2007 Author Share Posted October 11, 2007 I am out of Technidol, so I have to arrange something. http://www.apug.org/forums/forum37/43348-technidol.html Fortunately also my girlfriend Dorothy in Pennsylvania is able to do some tests for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walter_ivenz Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Hello, from the process of this thread, I recognize clearly, the genuine tecnical-pan-enthusiasts did not announce themselves. Very harm! References to the rights to use the name (the name "Technical Pan" is in use since 1994 by MACO-Photo-Products e.g. "TP 64c"-also I found no name-copyright at the european patent-office)helps the interested people on phototechnic not for shure. Regards Walter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealcurrie Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 JP - about the density curves, it will take some reading and experimenting before you can take a characteristic curve and imagine how that looks on a negative. Try looking at characteristic curves for the film(s) you use most and look at highlight, medium-tone, and shadow detail and contrast, and compare that to the slopes of the curves in each section. The steeper the curve, the more contrast in that particular tonal-range. It describes how dense the negative is compared to each of the zones. A film that is good at capturing shadow detail will have its Log(D) rise above 0 quickly. A film with low shadow contrast (most films) will have a relatively flat section in in the lower Zones (0,1,2,3) before it begins its straight-line section. Highlights usually don't behave the same way - they will continue going up fairly quickly for most films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walter_ivenz Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Hello again, The reference to the Rollei PAN 25 is not correct, because the PAN 25 is a normaly graduated panchromatic halftone-film.To complete: Also a reference to microfilms or the Rollei Ortho25 helps nobody who is willing to explaining with the pan-technology. Why? Panchromatic films have a solution from 130 up to 150 lines per mm. Microfilms are working with a solution from 300 to 600 lines. A correct developed Rollei Tech Pan gains a solution up to 900 lines. (1:1000). Regards Walter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walter_ivenz Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Hello, some words about the difference between microfilms and the Tech-Pan-technology: Tech-pan-technology allows you to take pictures in the infrared-sphere. For the sience of astro-photography it is an important application. The Rollei ATP has a long extended IR area. Therefore you should use real black filters if you want outstanding IR-pictures. Regards Walter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdatrodinal Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Hello from the genuine tecnical-pan-enthusiasts. I was very sad to see Kodak's Technical Pan film discontinued which is why I was delighted to hear of the Rollei ATP-V1 film coming out. I just today received my test rolls which I am anxious to try. When I have results I will post them. I've never posted images here on Photonet, so I will have to learn quickly. Once I learn I will post what I have of the Kodak Techpan for a comparison. I would also like to hear what other photographers are saying about this and what developers they are using. My friend Robert has been very gracious with providing links to datasheets. I hope I am able to provide some photos that make people want to try this. Cheers from Pennsylvania, Dorothy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtugwell Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 I just received my test pack of ATP-V1 and have shot and developed one roll - reated at ISO32. Rollei RLC developer, made up with distilled water, 6.5 mins with constant agitaion for 1st min and then 10secs at 3min and 5mins. Ilfostop, and Ilford Rapid fixer, last two rinses in distilled water - no wetting agent. I've attached an example. The full size version is available at http://www.forthmedia.com/atp-v1-01.jpg but beware it's 11mb. What I want someone to help with is the little black specks that cover the image. You can see them best in the light front of the house at left. These are not real BTW. Also look at the chimney area. None in the sky which is completely bleached. I have other examples of this. Any ideas? I develop 1 or two rolls a week, normally tri-x, and don't get this sort of thing Cheers Richard<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_boylan Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Hello, There is a related discussion on a Digtialtruth forum, although the person is using Rollei Infrared film. Although, the discussion starts off as "blame the film" it seems a correction to their scanner settings eliminated the problem. In looking at your image I am thinking that this looks to be a similar kind of issue. http://www.digitaltruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php? p=2218&sid=74bd2b0f560331e6b424783ec9f323ff Kind regards, Mike Boylan Toronto, Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtugwell Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Hello Mike Thanks for the feedback but the problem is definitely arising in the development process - the spots are on the negatives Cheers Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 The problem is in your water, nothing more and nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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