brambor Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 I think I want to try using the 50mm collapsable Summicron. I think the trick is to find one in working shape. Could I get some advice on this lens please? My reasons are portability and somewhat unique signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_richardson Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 It's a great lens, particularly for black and white. It has crazy bokeh wide open and you have to be very careful about flare, but it makes great images. Stopped down a bit, it is very sharp and competes very well with modern lenes. Here are some samples:<P><img src="http://www.stuartrichardson.com/dad-trail.jpg"><P><img src="http://www.stuartrichardson.com/egyptian-minou.jpg"><P><img src="http://www.stuartrichardson.com/grave.jpg"><P><img src="http://www.stuartrichardson.com/easton-horse1.jpg"> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_neuthaler Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 my 50 Summicron coll.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chansonbleu Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Rene Had one with a M3 I used to have. It was nice for carrying under a coat or jacket. Its performance exceeded my photographic ability. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chansonbleu Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 oops! sorry about the TIFF<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h._p. Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Oddly enough, I've also been thinking about getting a collapsible 50mm to go with my M3. I can't quite make my mind up whether I'll use it enough to justify it, though, and I do like my rigid Summicron. The thing that's stopping me is that I'd be uncomfortable carrying a lens like that without some protection for the front element which, in my case, is generally a lens hood. I suppose I could always try and get used to using a lens cap......<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCL Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Rene - I liked the results but sold my collapsible last year to get a current model Summicron. I found that on later model cameras the size differential wasn't that meaningful to me (my purpose in getting the collapsible in the first place). Like many of the great older lenses in the marketplace today, you might factor in the cost of a cleaning. Good luck with your pursuit...I'll look forward to seeing some of your shots after you get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frederick_muller Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 It's definitely worth having if you like its look. I would not use it as a substitute for a rigid summicron, but as a complement. A rigid summicron 50 of any generation is sharper and has a very different look relative to the collapsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensacolaphoto Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Rene: I may have a collapsible for you. I will email you about it. I have two of them, and love this lens. Using a lens hood is recommended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich815 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 What would you guys says is the difference in the "look" between the coll. Summicron and the Summitar? I really like the look of my 50/2 Summitar (with adapter to use on my MP) and also my 50/2.8 Elmar m-mount (not latest). I recently got a 50/2 Summicron DR and REALLY like it and it is significantly different than my other two 50's just mentioned. I'm curious, and would love to hear anyone's take, on what kind of signature and look one gets from the coll. 50 Summicron vs. these others I mention.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brambor Posted November 25, 2005 Author Share Posted November 25, 2005 Raid, you have mail. I plan to use it on my M3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolfe_tessem Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 M3, 50mm collapsible Summicron, Fuji Reala<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 From what I understand rigid lenses are always sharper, even given the same optical construction, because there needs be no play allowed in the mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham_morriss2 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 I love mine I think it gives a nice feel to my pictures and asthetically it's a beautiful piece of engineering.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lazzari Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Andrew, they aren't the same... I own a mint version of the collapsible 50. Now, when you have a chance, look at the two lenses (Coll & rigid) and notice their front elements; the collapsible has pronounced curvature !!! The grind becomes more critical and as a result, difficult to achieve & chase perfection. The choice of materials making up the barrel and the twist locking bayonet were top notch. If you get a nicely cared for collapsible, it should be very snug once it's locked. Don't assume that performance should suffer due to the mechanics of a collapsible design. The collapsible 50's subdued performance compared to the critically acclaimed rigid and DR designs, is due to their improved optics, coatings and flare prevention. I'd love to see a Bokeh comparison between these fine lenses. Regards, Gus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_werner1 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Rene, I have one that came with my M3. I have converted to digital with the R9+DMR and the M3 + M lenses are now for sale. I have also a shade to go with it, the rare model that you can reverse and that takes a lens cap. Like that, you can keep it in the ever-ready case with the lens cap. Apart from a few cleaning marks on the front element, the Summicron coll. is in good condition. I have not been using it for some time, but mainly the Elmar 2.8/50. I shall load a film in the M3 and make a few test shots with the Summicron over the week-end to be sure everything performs well. Send me an email if you are interested. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_werner1 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Sorry for the picture uploading mess. Hope this time it will work. <br><br> <img src=http://petermcwerner.com/Photos/Summicron_Side_L8040503_510.jpg><br><br> <img src=http://petermcwerner.com/Photos/M3_mitSB_bereit_L8040502_51.jpg> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_werner1 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 <img src=http://petermcwerner.com/Photos/M3_mitSB_geschl_L8040505_51.jpg> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brambor Posted November 26, 2005 Author Share Posted November 26, 2005 Thank you Peter. Raid was kind enough to offer his 50 in a few posts above yours. If things don't work out I will contact you. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imagehause Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Peter, How much is the M3?? Is it in good shape mechanicaly, single or double stroke? Thanks, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_werner1 Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Peter Black, <br> <i>single or double stroke</i><br> Single <br><br> <i>Is it in good shape mechanicaly</i><br> As far as I can judge, perfect. After it had been resting for nearly a year, today I ran a film through it to test the Summicron. It is an exhilarating feeling to handle again this precision machine: heavy, solid, quiet, no vibrations, just the essentials, doing the job in the most unobtrusive way. What a difference to the current breed of cameras. Well, I made my choice, but at a price.<br> Seriously, everything seems to be working as it should. I should receive the film back from development by Wednesday or Thursday and then I should be able to confirm that it is indeed working perfectly. <br><br> <i>How much is the M3??</i><br> Body alone $530<br><br> Cheers,<br> Peter Werner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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