gsphotoguy Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 The Home News Tribune, a Gannett Newspaper in Central New Jersey, published an <a href="http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050815/NEWS01/508150381/1005/NEWS01">article today on NJ Transit proposed rules on photographing trains.</a> Not only would permits be required but you would need to notify NJ Transit 24 hours in advance that you will be out photographing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaius1 Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Meanwhile, the authorities will let cameraphone users photograph whatever they like, without question. If you were a terrorist, would you carry a big 35mm SLR or a medium format camera on a tripod, or a sly little camera phone? So what is the authorities real motive here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe27502 Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Typical knee-jerk reaction by the law makers. These people (legislature) have no real world knowledge, they rely on what "advisors" tell them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_drew4 Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 If Homeland Security and local law enforcement really wanted to "CYA" and protect their transportation assets, they would encourage photography AND place web cams everywhere to monitor activity! The light of day and thousands of eyes will do more to ensure safety, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdp Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I suspect that the main concern is not "security" but the fact that someone with an SLR who doesn't look like a tourist may be making money from shots of the trains or transit system. I have been in places where I was told that I could not photograph without permission when a few feet away people were snapping away with their camera phones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan_dzo Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Interesting contrast with here in the UK. Our obsession is with paedophiles rather than terrorists. Street photography is in danger of being stopped by vigilantes, with warning notices about perverts with cameras in every public park. But when the recent terrorist bombs went off in London, suddenly the police were appealing for camera phone shots and videos and suddenly these same people previously vilified, were found useful. I suspect they simply want to appear to be taking steps against "threats" and confuse action with effectivness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatrice_flowers Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 These laws and directives are making photography exciting again. You can now feel good about yourself when at the end of the day you know you got the picture. With all those auto-everything digital wundercameras everything was so very much within the grasp of even the lamest of wimps. Now only men and manly women that are up to a bit of a challenge can play. Just like it used to be. The bar has been raised and only the most dedicated and motivated will get their shots: less rubbish to wade through for the viewers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 one can only hope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sionnac Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Several of Boston's stations even feature photographs as mural art. Go figure. We can look at photographs of T riders but can't make our own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjords Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 " one can only hope "are freeways next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sknowles Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Pity the poor "uninformed" tourist who suddenly is confronted with authorities and threatened with equipment confiscation and/or arrest. This gets back to my point, we should be doing the opposite, let anyone photograph anything anytime. Simply encourage photography. After all if something does happen who will the NJ Transit go to for images? Themselves? They certainly can't apply to the people with the cameras they prohibited. Don't folks get it that security and freedom aren't mutually exclusive terms of a democracy? We're doing exactly what the terrorist want, feel so paranoid and security-minded we'll forget about civil liberties and other freedoms this country was founded on. Sorry, I'll park the soapbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Not only would permits be required The echo of marching songs thoughout the ages and the crunch of the steel capped boot. Nothing changes........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magumi Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Hmmm... A friend of mine, who is the owner of the largest publishing house in my country, visited NYC last year. He was apprehended for taking a picture of a Brooklyn bridge and interrogated for 13 hours. I don't think he will be coming back to US any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magumi Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 sorry - the Brooklyn Bridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_sullivan Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 heh...right on Bee Floweres ;o) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pics Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Yeah this is no joke. A few months ago I was taking some train shots at a nearby NJ Transit station when an engineer actually brought his train to a slow roll just so he could inform me that what I was doing was illegal and the cops would arrest me. Now I'm not one to habitually complain about law enforcement and its regulations but I mean come on.... I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at the NJ Transit board meeting that decided this would be logical and meaningful way to confront terrorism. At least the NYC subway authorities pulled their head out of their ass at the last minute and allowed common sense to penetrate their brains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cálico Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Holy.... whew!!!! I don't believe it... someone wake me up! I simply don't believe it! Really, it's so absurd... well, what the heck, the mental patients are running the mental asylum! What is going on in this nation? Have all elected officials and all uniformed peace officers gone crazy? Orwell predicted this... (and the sky is falling....) (No further comments... I might have my computer and telephone "bugged" and I might find myself in some hidden prison with no communication to the outside world) Hey, all of you with cameras and complaining about this government's stupidity, beware! (Sheesh, how ridiculous can this get?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 sox win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 nevermind...they lost you guys carry on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_waller Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 Yes, you thought the Taliban had been defeated in Afghanistan but NO!, they all came west and infiltrated the government. Expect a ban on street musicians any time now (they might have grenade-launchers up their suzaphones!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_scott2 Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 Quit whining and go take some pictures. This article is about a proposal; it hasn?t passed yet. If you don?t like it, do something about it. Be a rebel. Fight the power. Take pictures. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiralblur Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Maybe we should call them every day and let them know we're going to be photographing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trixshooter Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Isn't New Jersey run by Liberals? Or Democrats?. What's up with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironhorse Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 <p>Having a radio scanner a few weeks back when there was some steam power in Phillipsburg NJ, I was along a trail that went down to the river, used for those who would go fishing. As the consists would pass, the crew radioed that I was a trespasser, but that I was in the clear. Armed security actually were keeping a very close eye on me. <br> While taking photos of some old Reading RR signals in a Center Valley, PA park last year, an employee at a school bus terminal called the police, saying I was a homeless person snooping around. The police stated they had to respond, and I voiced my understanding, then said that some people just need to mind their own business. In both events, I showed my ID and offered them a copy of the photographer's rights. The ID was all the officers were interested in.<br> This very topic of "evil photographers" was covered in Railpace, and it was recommended that ANY photographer carry a copy of photographers rights and ID with you at all times.<br> Watch out for us phototerrorists. Fair to say, in both cases, the actual officers treated me fairly and professionally. The rest of the public... that could be debated.<br> Go here to read more and download a copy of photographer's rights.<br> <a href="http://www.kantor.com/blog/2005/12/legal-rights-of-photographers/">http://www.kantor.com/blog/2005/12/legal-rights-of-photographers/</a></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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