Allen Herbert Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Alfred Stieglitz Steerage With all due respects to him don't you think the posted snap...well, just a snap. My old gran could have done just as well. Think i prefer my out of focus bird shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 "Art doesn't reproduce what's visible, it makes new thinks visible", said Paul Klee Really. I think he's work is amazingly boring.Just an opinion...someone with pockets full of money liked him. it makes new thinks visible", Sort of like a fairy at the bottom of your garden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeman458 Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 "Which is it, Thomas:" It's both. Why? Cause it's the "ability" to resonate. An image does not have to be seen to have this ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeffe Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 "Alfred Stieglitz Steerage With all due respects to him don't you think the posted snap...well, just a snap. My old gran could have done just as well. "Art doesn't reproduce what's visible, it makes new thinks visible", said Paul Klee" I enjoyed seeing the Jackson Pollack canvases in the biopic of the same name. Then I saw the paintings were credited to a union local in the Bronx. And, sure, my kid could do that, etc. But Pollack made the first drip painting before anyone else thought of it. And the Steerage was a statement that photography could stand on its own feet as just as effective an artmaking tool as painting or sculpture. But no one before Stieglitz, including Stieglitz himself, wo started his career as a dedicated pictorialist, had made genre photos that spoke in the language of modernism. That was the contribution of the Steerage. Of course, today, many of us less-talented or prescient workers make very sophisticated snapshots. But we are toiling in a vineyard much cultivated and explored before we got there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeman458 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 "And the Steerage was a statement that photography could stand on its own feet as just as effective an artmaking tool as painting or sculpture." That's an interesting view point but let's see what Alfred, himself had to say about the image. http://www.artsmia.org/art_in_america/17_4.html The scene fascinated me: A round straw hat; the funnel leaning left, the stairway leaning right; the white drawbridge, its railings made of chain; white suspenders crossed on the back of a man below; circular iron machinery; a mast that cut into the sky, completing a triangle. I stood spellbound for a while. I saw shapes related to one another - a picture of shapes, and underlying it, a new vision that held me: simple people; the feeling of ship, ocean, sky; a sense of release that I was away from the mob called "rich." (Quoted in Dorothy Norman, Alfred Stieglitz: An American Seer (Middleton, N.Y.: Aperture, 1973) p. 76.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeffe Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 "a picture of shapes, and underlying it, a new vision that held me: simple people; the feeling of ship, ocean, sky; a sense of release that I was away from the mob called "rich." Quite a realization for Stieglitz. He is recalled as a rather proud and hidebound man. As he lay suffering a heart attack at his gallery in NYC, he saw visitors but would not seek medical care. There's so many ways you could read Stieglitz' statement. The phrase simple people sounds quaint and almost colonial. Stieglitz had money and was well-established in NYC as a printer. He walked away from business (after being given to understand that he'd have to print some jobs for free to keep his clients) with a condescending sneer: "While I respect both the Lawyer and the Policeman, I prefer other company." The 'mob called rich' was the smug culture he was born to, or maybe bred for. The aquisitive, striving immigrant population that had managed to get out of Europe with their money. Stieglitz was as deeply flawed as gifted a character, and thus subject to the usual blindnesses, malaprops, and difficulties in understanding and explaining his own experiences and views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 picture of shapes, and underlying it, a new vision that held me: simple people; the feeling of ship, ocean, sky; a sense of release that I was away from the mob called "rich." A snap. You are creating a fairy story based on the banal. It lacks creativity, vision, and form and shape. A simple snap......get real. Anyone could have taken it, and probably everyone did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeman458 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 "Anyone could have taken it, and probably everyone did." What? Back in 1907? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 What? Back in 1907? Okay, you might have a point.Although my mate Harvey was doing some of his best work around about that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h._p. Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Oi Herbert! I resemble that remark..... :-))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Okay,your work is just as good as it was when you were in your early 40's in 1907. Happy now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h._p. Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 That's better, young man. I like to see you showing respect for your elders. :-))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Keller Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 A great picture makes me want to be a better person. I fall in love with it. It refreshes me. It renews in me the hope that, as I grow, life just gets more and more lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I fall in love with it. It refreshes me. It renews in me the hope that, as I grow, life just gets more and more lovely. How refreshing to hear such honest thoughts. And of course it's about developing that third eye to seek those hidden places which are perceived by the very few. I call it ?looking around corners?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 But we are toiling in a vineyard much cultivated and explored before we got there. Really, i don't think so. Time moves on and photography...and everything else. Unfortunately most folks are hide bound in their ideas clinging to the past.......is that not the story of the majority of humanity. Innovation is generally condemned as it does not follow the conventions of the times; have a little think the majority of those innovator folk, in any field, died in poverty. Conservative is the name of the game in this world....folks like the word because they do not like change. Only by innovation has/does humanity moved forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_brower2 Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Lots of answers to the question, Mostly they all have validity. The "I know what I like" does not cut it. I would like to add a suggestion Certainly Emotion and Passion. Also, like a good dinner, film or experience, Does it taste good the morning after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatko1 Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 photo or any piece of art could be great on some speciphic way and the cant compare with each other, Picasso is great? Rembrant is greta? i think they are both great but on diferent way,thats the same with photography,Douglas Keller , aug 03, 2005; 01:24 a.m. A great picture makes me want to be a better person. I fall in love with it. It refreshes me. It renews in me the hope that, as I grow, life just gets more and more lovely. i like what Douglas Keller said above "A great picture makes me want to be a better person. I fall in love with it. It refreshes me. It renews in me the hope that, as I grow, life just gets more and more lovely". and definately you have to feel emotion,to make you to think about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Keller Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Allen and Zlatko ... that was kind of you to comment. My hope is that one day people will be better sustained by these simpler things ... like Beauty ... and Truth. This site is a pleasant testament to all of our bright futures. Cheers. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Delete the forum quick cos it is pukingly boring..... Don't hold back,Peter, say what you mean.Jeez, i wish you would stop beating around the bush. Tempus Fugus, Peter. You can't help loving the old ding bat;). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 sometimes it moves backwards I'm no expert... But, from reading current scientific thinking, you can only go back in time from the point you started at. Banal conversation, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeman458 Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 "But, from reading current scientific thinking, you can only go back in time from the point you started at." And then you could never get back cause it never happened. Time travel is and will always be Science Fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeman458 Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 Why? Cause time is a creation of humanity (psudeo) to mark their existance in the universe and doesn't exists anywhere else except in the mind of humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkka_nissila Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 Well, the human minds are a part of the physical universe and time clearly is a part of it or everything would be static, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeman458 Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 "and time clearly is a part of it or everything would be static, right?" Wrong. Why? Cause time is a concept that doesn't exist anywhere else except in the mind of humans to mark their existance. Prior to calenders, there wasn't even the concept of the continuum, just the reality of the sun rising and setting and folks not knowing why. Take the human concept of time out of the equation and time ceases to exist but the universe will continue as there's only the continuum. Humans can be so egocentric:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Just for you folks.........a bit of atmosphere and mood..<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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