steve_larese1 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 ...can"T use them to post on photo.net... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icuneko Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 <Look at the beautiful shutter ,,, assembly on the M8.> Question: Did Leica make this shutter? Or is it from Copal or C/V? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliot_rosen1 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 "In a few years sensors quality will increase, megapixels will increase and some cheaper mass produced camera will outpeform the M8." Hold everything! Emergency! Stop development! Stop production! The M8 will be obsolete in a few years! Extra! Extra! Read all about it! M8 to become obsolete! Get your papers! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squareframe Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 sorry Vinay, it has nothing to do with collecting/investing. it's simply a matter of using the darn thing in the long-term. the M8 looks to be a beautiful camera, albeit a candidate for upgrading already. I can't wait for the M8mkIIIds ... though I am not sure they can fit all that onto the front faceplate. might have to dismiss the red-dot logo perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 It's a Copal. The Sensor's from Kodak, the image processing is from Imacon, the body's from Portugal, etc. They did box the thing up in Germany, though, which apparently is all you need to do to print 'MADE IN GERMANY' on your camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliot_rosen1 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 "It's a Copal. The Sensor's from Kodak, the image processing is from Imacon, the body's from Portugal, etc." How 'bout we send you a shutter assembly, sensor, processing software, and body and you assemble it, adjust it, and quality test it. After all, these things must be trivial, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_morris4 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 "these things must be trivial" Putting all the parts together into a useful and attractive camera isn't trivial, but there are many outfits around the world who could certainly do it. If Leica sold its viewfinder assemblies, then Cosina could probably put together a similar camera. Leica have, of course, more reasons to bother trying the exercise than most anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry_ting2 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Don't we all love to live in the 40s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_camp Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 There are a number of good reasons to buy an M8, many of which have been touched upon above. One bad reason to buy one is as an investment. I've preordered an M8; by the time the M9 comes out, I expect to be (a) dead, or the camera to be (b) worn out. You think I should wait for the M9? Another reason, not necessarily a good one, that many M8s will be sold is for the same reason that Rolex is a thriving concern... Talking to dealers, you find that they already have so many orders that Leica may not be able to fill them for a year. Just think, under your scenario, is possible that some people won't even be able to get the camera before it's unusable. 8-) JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 <I>Leicas? Nah. They can last forever.</I><P>especially if you only take a few or no photos with them -- which I suspect is the case with most of the denizens here in the Leica forum. Leicas wear out just as fast as other similar cameras given the same amount real world use and abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshua_dollins Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 I've been hearing that leica is having trouble keeping up with demand. Sure it won't last as long as a film camera. But as long as the camera works I don't see why you wouldn't still want to use it. I know lots of people with older digital gear. I have a 2mp HP camera from 1998 that I let little guys in the family use still. And how is it not a leica? It looks like one. Its built like one. It uses leica glass. Its a rangefinder (one of only two on the market in the digital world) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhooru Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 I think this is all hilarious...6 mos, a year ago or more...people were insisting that Leica needs a digital M, remember? and Leica kept saying it was too technically difficult because of the lens distance to the sensor etc....and many on this forum said it was essential etc.. Now Leica pulls it off, after all the clamouring from its "base" and people are just whinging about it... I find that both curious and funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
film rules Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Screw Leica - Leica should stick to making film cameras. The M8 should have been a new film body with swing back film loading, same shutter they put in the actual M8, adjustable diopter viewfinder, a built-in grip like the Hexar RF and matrix metering. Basically they should have built a better Hexar RF. Perhaps Canon will see the wisdom in a digital rangefinder and build one based on the 7D or the 9D or whatever number they're at by that time and using the M-mount. I won't buy one, because film rules, but maybe Leica has just shown the way for the other camera manufacturers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinay_patel Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 "sorry Vinay, it has nothing to do with collecting/investing. it's simply a matter of using the darn thing in the long-term. the M8 looks to be a beautiful camera, albeit a candidate for upgrading already." All this naysaying about a camera that a final production sample has yet to be delivered to a single customer sounds like a bowlful of sour grapes to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
._._z Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 <i><blockquote> I've been hearing that leica is having trouble keeping up with demand. </blockquote> </i><p> What was the predicted sales level, what is the actual sales level, and what is their production capacity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonten 10 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 M8- M9 , good investment, bad investment. The bottom line is digital blows, and Leica is contributing to films demise. Why can't they just be 35mm specialist in film. The problem is that we have a society where everything is done for the buck, and forget about good work. Not to mention that some experts say in a few years from now the digital capture of today will be obsolete,and that tommorrows new software won't even be able to read todays cyber bits. It seems to me that there are some leicaphiles on the forum who are already lusting for a digital leica. Why? why not just use a different camera? I don't think that leica glass+digital will be the same as leica glass+tri-x , neopan, or any film for that matter. It appears that some people are more concerned with the image behind the camera than the image in front of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen_w. Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 I don't understand why people buy ANY consumer product other than a new home appliance w/o a "test drive", much less, sight unseen. Recently, I bought a $40 27" TV/VCR combo at a pawn shop and had them turn it on and played a tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinay_patel Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 It's funny. When the M8 was still just a rumor the bashing was fairly calm. Now that the M8 is a reality, even though neither the specs nor the price are anything unexpected, the bile and venom volume suddenly turns to "full on". Is it that for some people, not being able to afford one has gone from hypothetical to reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinay_patel Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 "Recently, I bought a $40 27" TV/VCR combo at a pawn shop and had them turn it on and played a tape." The phrase 'tighter than bark on a tree' comes immediately to mind. Then again with the mindless drivel on TV I feel sick to my stomach when I think of how much I paid for a plasma, but the family took a vote and I lost :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen_w. Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Tight I am not. I've yet to file my expense report for the two-months in Yokohama, Japan June, 2005!, and Paris, six-months ending December, 2005. BIG $$$. I live on the road. All my local furnishing are "disposable" and get donated to charity when the next job (planning for Trinidad and Tobago) comes up. I wish the many Rice U. students I live by would have the same philosophy with their daddy's money. I've found perfecly working appliances in the parking lot. I clean them up, if necessary, then take them to the Salvation Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen_w. Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 ...ending June, 2005!... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 "How 'bout we send you a shutter assembly, sensor, processing software, and body and you assemble it, adjust it, and quality test it. After all, these things must be trivial, right?" I could do it for a lot less than Leica. Could I still put "MADE IN GERMANY" on the back plate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 <I>Now that the M8 is a reality, even though neither the specs nor the price are anything unexpected, the bile and venom volume suddenly turns to "full on". </I><P> What bile and venom??? The only thing going to "full on" is Vinjay's imagination. www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Never mind all this nonsense. Has nobody realised there hasn't been a new M8 thread started for at least a couple of hours! Quick, hurry!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
._._z Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 <i><blockquote> Why can't they just be 35mm specialist in film. </blockquote> </i><p> There are such companies, and some of them, like Cosina, are profitable. I don't think anyone who understands the market, however, believes that Leica-priced film gear has much of a future in the overwhelmingly digital marketplace. Low-priced gear has a better shot, but as film-gear becomes less desirable and people sell, the lowered prices of used gear begins to impose on the profitability of companies selling new gear.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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