brian_bott Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 I have been out of the b&w processing world for about 10 years. I am going to be mixing powdered d76 (1 gallon) should I be further diluting this before use or is it used straight as a stock solution? I believe 1:1 after the original mix is correct but I wanted to make sure.... Thanks for your insight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelging Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 D76 can be used straight or in dilution , It has different effects on the film ,with different dilutions . Straight will give you more contrast and can be used for pushing. Diluted it will give lower contrast, and a little sharper grain. Just be sure and use the times for which dilution you use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_sullivan Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 yeah, the directions on the package are for a "stock solution"........the rest of your question is better answered by <a href="http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/j78/j78.jhtml">Kodak D-76 Tech Pub</a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_divenuti Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Pay special attention to the fact that the developer in stock solution (i.e. undiluted) will keep considerably longer than as a working solution in 1:1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_shively Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 As noted, you can use it stock or diluted. I like it diluted 1:3 but most people use it 1:1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_moravec1 Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Stock solution will give far less grain with a very slight penatly in sharpness compared to 1;1, not enough to see in an 11x14. 1:3 will get pretty grainy and somewhat sharper. You need 4 oz stock to develope 80 sq in or a roll of 36 ex., but you still need enough to cover the film which is 8 oz in a stainless tank. You need a 16 oz tank to use 1:3 dilition, 4 stock + 12 water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_clark___minnetonka_mi Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 I use Ilford ID-11 similar to D 76. I dilute the stock solution 1:3 because I'm cheap and I like to use it only once. Today I created some gorgeous engagement portraits with TMAX 100 and a Rolleiflex with a 2,8 Planar. I can't vouch for the stock versus 1:1 versus 1:3 different characteristics but I sure can tell what wonderful images I can take with my Rolleiflex versus other equipment. Just my thoughts for this evening! Have a great week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_gittins Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 It's good stuff - very flexible. When I shot FP4 I used it at 1+3. I use it 1+2 with HP5. 1+1 does seem to be the most popular though. I've never noticed dilution having a significant effect on grain in my prints, but I only print 35 mm to 4x6 and 4x5 to 8x10. You'd need pretty sharp eyes to see an increase in grain at only 2x enlargement. I don't do 1+1 because I like somewhat longer development times and higher dilutions require less chemistry. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timothy_nolan Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 ...i might even call it the 'universal' developer, even though at the lunatic fringe where i live, it has seen less usage... ...would others consider hc-110 more universal? i doubt it... ...you're highly unlikely to get bad results, regardless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_divenuti Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 >>Stock solution will give far less grain with a very slight penatly in sharpness compared to 1;1, not enough to see in an 11x14 If we're talking 35mm, then that's probably a 7-9X enlargement. If you hold by that statement you're a brave man! I've seen folks state that 1:1 to 1:3 has a grain penalty and little or no improvement in sharpness, but you're the first to state that straight vs. 1:1 didn't improve sharpness in a meaningful way. But I'm intrigued - do you have any samples that are web-enabled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob F. Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 D-76 contains sodium sulfite, which etches the grain edges to reduce grain size. That tends to reduce sharpness, by compromising the edge effect that contributes to crisp image outlines. It also reduces emulsion speed a little bit, since the grains are smaller. Larger grain is faster. That's why fast films are grainier than slow ones. You can make a fast film finer grained by etching the grain, but then it is not quite so fast any more. This is known as the TANSTAAFL effect (There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch). Diluting D-76 to 1:1 reduces the strength of the sodium sulfite, in turn leaving the grain relatively more intact. The grain is larger, the picture is sharper, and the film retains full emulsion speed. Diluting to 1:2 or 1:3 strenghtens this effect a bit more. Pictorial photographers like the fine-grain effect of using the D-76 straight. Those looking for a sharper image at the expense of more grain, dilute the formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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