Which DSLR

Discussion in 'Casual Photo Conversations' started by jomeer, Mar 15, 2019.

  1. Hello

    I am new here so if this post is in the wrong thread please let me know.

    I am not a beginner in photographic terms - but in digital camera terms.

    I am not a fan of batteries and screens so would like to know if there are any DSLR cameras that do not rely on any batteries or screens particularly if they are a few years old and can be purchased as a body without lenses (so I can purchase lenses at will ie I am not interested in 55 mm lenses).

    I know most cameras need batteries for almost everything, rechargeable and small watch type. At most I do not mind a small battery for the light meter if its internal.

    Ideal would be something I can use manually without too much fuss (ie I can set the fstop and shutter speed manually with a knob and No autofocus and no auto - exposure). No screens.

    I suppose I want the digital memory without the LCD screen operations. It must be D SLR not simple shoot cameras.

    I know it might be a tall order - but somebody may have a solution.
     
  2. Tony Parsons

    Tony Parsons Norfolk and Good

    I wouldn't think it possible to record digital images except electronically - which means either battery or mains power. Mains would be extremely restrictive, so I think you are stuck with batteries, I'm afraid.
     
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  3. As Tony said, it's an electronic device, so you need power. All digital SLRs have batteries. It's not a big deal; I rarely have to use more than one on a shoot, and it's easy enough to charge them.

    Re the screen: every DSLR that I have ever seen has an LCD screen. Smaller cameras often require them for controls. Larger ones don't. You need one anyway to look at the histogram, which is an essential tool.
     
  4. I think to get on with the times, honestly. What you ask for doesn't exist, why it should?
     
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  5. First there is no digital camera without battery yet. I always think you can make the film advance level on the digital camera acting as a generator that create sufficient charge to take one shot. But of course nobody makes it yet.
    Now you want no screen then there is no DSLR without the screen although you don't have to use it. There is Leica rangefinder that doesn't have the screen though.
    Perhaps someone will make it but are you willing to pay the price? Without all those features it would be more expensive rather than less expensive.
     
  6. I think the "film advance lever" on the Epson RD-1 served that purpose. Not to be the only power to operate the camera, but to add additional power without consuming the battery.
     
  7. Some kind of battery is always needed to power digital cameras. For an extended photoshoot - continously over a few hours - I usually carry two fully charged batteries (one as a back up just in case the first one runs out). I've very rarely needed the backup.

    DSLRS (and also mirrorless cameras) need 'setting up' at least once. You need a LCD screen to do this via menus/settings. For example: setting the correct date and time that you may want to have in your digital file info, choosing the digital image file format (RAW/Jpeg) and quality level (resolution) that you want your photos to be stored with in the camera.

    Having set up your basic preferences once, you can either choose to use menu options and LCD displays when shooting or not. I usually don't. I can manually dial in aperture, shutter speed, and ISO. What I see in the viewfinder tells me all I need to know about the exposure so I can adjust these settings. I can also switch off AF and just use manual focus.

    There are some digital 'bells and whistles' that are worth having, such as exposure metering modes, exposure compensation, 'burst mode', etc. But it's always your personal choice whether to use these or not. Having set-up your DSLR once via the LCD, you're completely free to use it as a fully manual camera (without ever needing to look at the LCD again).

    Having said this, you may gradually discover that DSLRs offer some additional and useful options.

    Modern DSLRs are like all tech (TV's, computers, etc). They offer many more sophisticated 'options' than most people ever need. But you can always choose to use just the 'basics'.

    I hope this sets your mind at rest:)

    Mike
     
  8. Nope it only serves to cock the shutter but the power needed for the capture is still by a battery.
     
  9. Although there is no such camera but if there is it would be around $10000. I am not sure the OP wants to pay for it.
     
  10. Every modern digital device requires either a battery or a connection to electrical mains delivering power. Bebu's desire for a digital camera powered by something like the film advance lever on film cameras is shared by some of us, but it's a fantasy. It underestimates the power required by these cameras and overestimates how much can be produced by a half or three-quarter turn of a rather short lever--a crank such as those found on old telephones and emergency flashlights would be more appropriate. Many potentially wonderful photographs may be lost while you're cranking up enough power for a single shot.

    And you don't like screens either? Perhaps you should avoid digital cameras. Some very fine cameras can now be purchased used, in good condition for ridiculously low prices, and good lenses for not much more. There are still good films available, albeit fewer than in the past.
     
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  11. Yes. But making the shutter to be manually wound saves power to the battery compared to if the shutter was electronically wound.
     
  12. Remember the outrage when Nikon brought out a professional camera (F3) that required a battery to operate. It had one mechanical setting of 1/80 a second for emergencies.
     
  13. If you plan to travel there are a lot of small cameras (not DSLRs that I know of) that run on AA batteries which you can find everywhere. No need for chargers, adapter plugs, voltage converters.
     
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  15. It does but my idea was to make in generate sufficient power to charge a super capacitor which holds enough charge to do a capture and a write.
     
  16. I do remember and I was one who thought it was not so good an idea. At the time I owned an F2AS but then I bought the F3 for its motor drive and it grew on me. Now I love the F3 electronically controlled shutter.
     
  17. AJG

    AJG

    I do--and pros soon figured out that you brought spare batteries to a job, just as you did for flashes or spare bulbs for lights. The F3 and equivalent Canon and Pentax pro cameras were great cameras that worked well and stayed in production for a long time.
     
  18. Thanks, It looks like the only option if I want to use the digital recording aspect without electronic controls. Can you recommend a basic Canon with reasonable spec where i can set-up once using the LCD and use it as a fully manual camera and/or it has a manual dial for aperture, shutter speed, and ISO plus switching auto focus off. Something where this is done easily without reading pages of info or screen menus. I think I saw some EOS models? with some manual knobs? Second hand several years old would be ok, as a body only and usable with most older canon or suitable non-canon lenses.
     
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  19. I have a Lumix G7 and it has a full flippy screen. The screen being able to flip around a lot can be turned so that it faces inwards if you do not wish to use it or even see it. It has manual operation as well as manual focus. The manual focus through the electronic viewfinder will enlarge the center portion of the picture so you can focus accurately. It also has a focus peaking system built in that verifies exact focus. A camera such as the Canon SL2 and others with a flippy screen will have the same screen that will turn inwards. The Canon will have full manual operation also. I do not know what system the Canon would have to aid you with manual focus but it would be different then the G7 with electronic viewfinder. All digital cameras have batteries that need to be charged often.
     
  20. Hmmmm...an $8000 camera for someone who does not know a digital image requires a battery to create it.
     
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