What is up with the Epson P800 printer???

Discussion in 'Digital Darkroom' started by ray ., Aug 14, 2019.

  1. Red River Paper publishes estimated ink costs per page and estimate very similar costs. For a 13 x 19, they estimate either $2.09 or $2.19 (depending on which black ink is used) for the Epson P800 and $2.24 for the Canon Prograf 1000, which is the closest competitor (and the printer I use).

    With any pigment printer, my concern is the ink consumed when the head is cleaned. When I was trying to decide between these two printers, I didn't find anything persuasive indicating that one was better than the other in this regard.
     
  2. Thanks. Any more specifics on the Canon Pro 1000 you want to offer, I'd love to hear. I don't really need size capacity over 13 x 19, but the smaller printers seem to have small cartridges which make the ink more expensive per quantity. I may give the Canon P-10 a look too, but the cartridges are only 13ml. I'll check out the Red River site.
     
  3. Still working with this. I may or may not have corrected the problem, but there's another possible issue that just popped up.
     
  4. The only smaller-format dedicated printers I have used use dye-based rather than pigment-based inks. My printer before the Pro 1000 was the Pro-100, which is an inexpensive dye-based printer. The ink is a bit more expensive per ml, I assume because of the much smaller tank, but not a lot. Red River estimates $2.70 for a 13 x 19 on luster paper.

    I've used the Pro 1000 for perhaps 6 months, printing mostly on baryta and luster papers, with some printing on heavy rag paper. I've been satisfied. I haven't had any problems with feeding. I did briefly have one problem that I think was ink on the outside of the head--some faint horizontal black marks. That might have been because I was feeding fairly heavy paper through the top feeder because it can handle small sizes, and I was printing small test prints. I think the paper bowed in the print path. The problem resolved itself after a few prints, so I never had to do anything about it.

    I switched to the Pro 1000 both for the larger maximum size (17 x 22) and because I won't sell prints unless they are printed with archival inks. For personal use, however, I think dye-based printing makes sense for a lot of people. In my experience, dye-based printers don't clog seriously, even after long periods unused, and the colors are at least as good. They do fade sooner, but the newer Canon dye inks last a long time if the prints are not left in direct sunlight. I almost never had to replace a print made with either of the Canon dye-based printers I used.
     
  5. Aren't the Chromalife inks tested for 100-year equivalent? This is as archival as any color "analog" photo and I think pretty close to the pigment inks. Of course, we don't really know as there are no 100-year-old digital prints, but the same applies to digital pigment prints. I can see, however, that you cannot say that they are Wilhelm Institute-labelled "archival" or whatever.
     
  6. Thanks for that paddler4.

    I'm pretty sure I've figured out the Epson P800 now. Instructions on placing paper into the front loader state "Make sure the paper is flush against the right, then pull the paper back gently to align against the edge of the manual tray." Maybe my reading comprehension is compromised when it comes to technical issues. My only thought was that the paper needed to be squarely flush against the right side along its full length. There's a lip about 1/2 inch long at the front of the tray that the paper needs to be up against, but with smaller lengths like letter size, if you push it completely flush against the right and leave it there, it ends up slightly angled inside the printer. With 13 x 19 paper it is straightened out since it extends further in, so it butts up against an edge that letter size doesn't.

    I was confused why the front short edge of the paper was out of square with the front edge of the tray when keeping the whole paper completely to the right, and mentioned this to tech support, but I don't think they understood what I was saying.

    When inserting the paper through the front it tends to get blocked, so last night I angled the front corner through the gap it needed to go through, observing from the open top. That paper printed fine but the corner came out a little dog eared, so it does seem it's better to just load paper from the back pushing it toward the front of the front load tray. Doing this with letter sized paper, you pretty much have to put your hand through the open top to help push the paper toward the front…… All in all, not an ideal design, but once you figure it out, as someone discussing the issue elsewhere said, "It's a design flaw but not a fatal one."

    Hopefully this thread comes out a net positive. I think at least some of the people complaining about the front load mechanism trashing numerous pieces of fine art paper were making the same mistake I was!
     
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2019

  7. Ray, I have been using Ilford Gold Fibre Silk for a while including other Baryta papers (Canson my favorite, Red River, Epson Legacy and Finestra) on my P800 and previously my 3880. I was not aware that top loading Ilford Gold Fibre Silk paper will damage the printer over the long haul. Could you please elaborate. I top load all my papers so I have some concerns. As well the 96 lb Red River Pecos River Gloss is thick stuff that I use occasionally. It did not come with any warnings. I appreciate any guidance you can provide. I bought my P800 last fall and was torn between Canon vs Epson and chose to go with what I knew. So far it has not let me down. Mr. Rodriquez’s site is by far the best I have seen for explaining things and helped me sort out that my black ink dampers needed to be replaced. Good hunting.
     
  8. Ray, I just checked the Red River site and viewed a video that explained using the bottom path for thick media. I don’t think the 3880 had this option so glad to have learned from your post. Should have read the manual:)
     
  9. There is one video from Red River where the guy says you can load papers up to about 13 mil thick in the Epson P800 sheet feeder, but I've not been able to confirm that anywhere with Epson. I asked the tech if there was a max thickness for the sheet feeder and he only repeated what the touchscreen says for the range of thicknesses for the fine art front loader, which works out to anything thicker than about 11.4 mil. Generally though Epson's answer is just that the front loader should be used for 'fine art' paper.
     
  10. Is it this one, or something else?

     
  11. Ray, that’s it. Thanks
     

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