phil_ackley Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 I am one of those weirdos who like doing underwater B&W photography. Normally I shoot neopan 1600, but I got to thinking what kodak HIE or Maco 820 would look like if exposed underwater. Does anyone have any experience with this? It seems like there is potential for some striking images, but I really don't have a good ideo of just how much IR light is even reaching me down there (say between 30 and 60 feet). Does the water filter most of it out, or do you think it might work? Also, if you've tried this, any reccomendations on how to rate the film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_ackley Posted February 24, 2005 Author Share Posted February 24, 2005 Should have mentioned I am also interested in the potential perils of focusing for IR film underwater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiyen Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 I'm almost certain that water absorbs _all_ infrared radiation. That's why it comes out black with opaque filters. theo nly reason it's not completely black with a red 25 filter is because of visible light coming through. allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_ackley Posted February 24, 2005 Author Share Posted February 24, 2005 That's what I thought initially, but now I am not so sure.. If the the water isn't reflecting any of the light back at the lens, wouldn't it stand to reason that it is being transmitted through the water, and would be visable underneath? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_cochran Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 <cite> If the the water isn't reflecting any of the light back at the lens, wouldn't it stand to reason that it is being transmitted through the water, and would be visable underneath?</cite> <p> No, by that logic, coal should be an excellent transmitter of visible light, since it reflects so little light. But alas, just because a substance doesn't reflect a certain wavelength well does NOT imply that it must therefore transmit that wavelength. In fact, water absorbs most infrared light, neither reflecting it nor transmitting it. <p> Actually, at 30-60 feet, not only is most infrared absorbed, but almost all of the visible red light is also gone, giving a strong bluish cast to the sunlight that filters down to that depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_appleyard Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Is Konica's IR film still made? If so, this might be fun to try. IIRC, Konica's IR film isn't quite as "IR" as Kodak's and might be more useful underwater. Worth looking into? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan_dzo Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 IR only penetrates a few inches into the water. That's why it gets more blue the deeper you go. So two feet down, you're going to get an iso of say 6 with HIE. Just hope you can find something to mount your tripod on and tell any sealife to stay VERY still. But go on, have a go, and don't forget to post the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silent1 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 One consideration -- if you're set up to use an underwater flash, the output of a strobe has plenty of IR to rate your film as you would in sunlight. Of course, you'll then have to apply a filter factor for the water that varies according to distance -- like using a guide number with flash, only varying as the 4th power (or worse) of distance instead of the square, and having to apply the factor again for lens-to-subject. With a ringlight and closeups, it could work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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