Selling first born to fund purchase of M9

Discussion in 'Leica and Rangefinders' started by richard_john_edwards, Sep 27, 2011.

  1. As the heading says, I think I have sell my first born to fund the recent order of a leica M9-P, anyhow enough of that, the order will
    take 6 months! Seems along time to wait (the time is mostly for the lenses). I would love some advice on the best way to settle into
    the new camera when it arrives since I have not shot with a rangefinder before, tips and advice to get the best out of it would be
    great. Cheers Richard.
     
  2. Be sure to deliver and get the money for the kid fast, as we all Leica users know, their prices go down as they grow up...
    Regarding the M9-P, I am sure you will find the rangefinder very user friendly, just play with it a lot. After a while, using a reflex feels kind of funny....At least to me.
     
  3. David, sounds like a kid, as they grow their price also goes down as the cuteness fades, so does the enjoyment of
    playing with them, so it sounds like a fair trade.
     
  4. I'm just wondering why you decided to buy a M9 when you have no previous rangefinder experience. Most people showing an interest in rangefinders are usually told to buy something like a $100 Canonet to see if they like the rangefinder experience which is not bad advice for you since you have to wait 6 months. Shooting with a rangefinder is different. You may like it or hate it, but the only way to find out is to try it.
     
  5. "I have not shot with a rangefinder before" RJE
    You can't be serious, really? Not even a Canon QL17 or a Minolta AL-F ?
    This may be an exaggeration & I'm sorry, but that's about as wise as giving your 17 year old son a Ferrari for his first car.
     
  6. Well I test drove one in the store. I purchased my first SLR without ever having tried one before. I purchased a 4x5
    and a 6x7 also with no regrets, why would a rangefinder be any different.
     
  7. If it's not a done deal, you could probably find equivalent lenses more quickly and much more cheaply secondhand. Then you'd only have to sell a kidney.
     
  8. the deposit is fully refundable, so to that end, I'll hold off on the operation for now. But to be honest I am a
    little excited, I think at my age we can treat ourselves a little. Besides striving for quality images can mean having the
    right tools ( if the skill set is in place ) :)
     
  9. Why not get a film leica while you wait? Send the film out to be processed and scanned. You can sell the camera in 6 months with minimal loss.
     
  10. It is different because it is an $8000 camera. How much are you spending on the lenses? A few Leica lenses and you're easily over $10000. Were any of your other purchases that much all at once?
    Your subject line is about selling your first born implying that you don't really have the money but later you say you're older possibly implying that you have plenty of savings to splurge on yourself.
    If you have the money then do whatever you want but if you don't I think it is crazy to not get a cheap film rangefinder first and make sure you like the concept and operation of shooting with a rangefinder.
    I have 2 rangefinders and 4 lenses and I reach for my Nikon DSLRs 95% of the time. A rangefinder is not an all purpose camera like an SLR. No macro, no super telephoto, no DOF preview, auxiliary finders for wide angles, lack of autofocus and multiple fps. On the other hand it's small, quiet, and the ability to see outside the frame is great.
     
  11. M.M the real wait is for the lenses, I did think of that, besides I may still get a film body later, that would then give me
    best of both worlds, I could develop and scan or print my own, I stIll have my dark room gear.
     
  12. Walt, the selling of the first borne was a form of Aussie humor, it's a saying we use here when something is
    expensive. If I could not afford it I would not do it, like i said as we get older we can finally afford some of life's
    luxuries.
     
  13. Well why not? If you are going to get into RF photography get the best, if you can afford it. I sense that Richard really doesn't have to make the Abrahamic sacrifice to get his M9-P. I must say that it does not take much strain to get into using an RF. If one has grown up with manual focus cameras it will be a snap.
     
  14. Lucky you! My only advice about what to do is to pick it up and point it in the direction you want to take a photo and press the shutter release - chimp and continue until satisfied.
     
  15. Richard, Just out of my curosity I went online to adorama to see what a Leica MP-9 cost. You are correct very expensive.You should read the review that someone wrote in on the M9/MP9.
     
  16. Has the market for first borns shown signs of recovery? Maybe I can get that new camera after all. My problem is who wants a 35 year old first born?
     
  17. Richard,you are going to love the camera. What lenses did you order?
     
  18. You can practice by standing in front of a telephone pole and crossing your eyes until you see two of them. Then uncross your eyes until you see one telephone pole again. Voila, that is how to focus a rangefinder. It's not rocket science. The focusing is the easy part -- it's the visualization of depth of field and framing that is harder...but still, it comes pretty quickly. Even more quickly if you mostly stick to one lens. If you have shot 4x5, you probably have enough photographic experience and technical ability that conquering these minor hurdles is not really a big deal. So I would say enjoy your M9, it's superb camera. If it does not work for you, the resale values for the camera and the lenses are very high, so while you would lose some money, it is likely to be a smaller proportion than you would with most other camera systems.
     
  19. bms

    bms

    I would love some advice on the best way to settle into the new camera when it arrives since I have not shot with a rangefinder before, tips and advice to get the best out of it would be great.​
    It takes some practice to focus, but it is faster than 4x5.
    The focusing is the easy part -- it's the visualization of depth of field and framing that is harder...but still, it comes pretty quickly​
    +1
     
  20. Just... shoot with it? It's just a camera, and it's not like you have to wait for negs/slides/prints to come back at the lab to see what you did. Or maybe I didn't understand the question.
     
  21. David, I ordered the F1.4 50mm Summilux, and teh f1.4 35mm Summilux.
    James - I will read the review. ( I posted a while back to see what PN members opinions were based on knowledge of having used one, the responces were very positive. I also met a man in my home town who demonstarted his, he loved it.)
    John - I dont think I will get enough from my first born, he is 25 year old vintage model shows a lot of sign of wear, and is also quite tempromental.
    Benjamin Hugh and Stuart, I wil take your advice and shoot shoot shoot until i become froficient with it.
     
  22. One way to get ready is that you can practice post-processing. There are M9 raw DNG files available around the Web. The M-9 camera JPGs in comparison with good processing of the DNGs are like stick figures next to an ancient Greek sculpture, if I may switch from Biblical to pagan metaphor.
     
  23. Just out of curiosity, how old of a man are you? I am about to turn 47 and would like a benchmark to hit when I decide to splurge on myself.
    I don't envy the camera as much as your choice of lenses.
    6 months is a long time to wait. The anticipation would be too much to bear. What to do? Go with the above advice and get yourself a film Leica (get the M6) with any exotic wide angle lens. You will then have 6 months to enjoy the smooth operation, the focusing, ect...This is the hor d'oeuvre before the main course.
    K.
     
  24. My problem is who wants a 35 year old first born?​
    I might be interested......male or female?
    Great camera, congrats. I too second the idea of starting with a film body, like an M6. You never know, you may not even feel the need to try out the M9 after that.
     
  25. Khai and Ty, I did think of getting a film camera, the biggest wait though is the lenses. And khai, I am 48, but kids are
    all grown up and have left the nest. ( many moons ago)
     
  26. They seem great lenses if those are your choice focal lengths. I would feel a bit restricted if I didnt have at least one focal length on each side, and, if you, I might choose on the basis of light weight and compactness a real wide angle and maybe a 90 Elmar, both cheap second hand. I am 64 and had to wait to inherit to get an M9 last year. It's hard to think of an M9 as 'versatile', but it is to me
     
  27. 35-yr old 1st Borns are better because they have skills. Well that was the idea back in the day.
    Ah well, another reason to get married ASAP
     
  28. I was 61 when I decided to splurge on a Leica M. Close to retirement I dumped some unused gear that had appreciated in value and finally, with a few c notes held tightly in my jeans pocket, struck a deal for an M4-2 at a photo swap & show. Everyone's splurge is different. If lenses are a problem consider, in the interim, a CV lens. I have the 21mm f4 and 35mm f2.5 Skopars and both are great lenses for the price. You could resell CV lenses later for 70~80 percent of what you paid when the Leica optics become available. The 35mm f1.4 Nokton is also available from Camerquest for $630, seems like a reasonable option while waiting for Leica to catch up on demand and then you could familiarize yourself with the camera.
    However, there is one danger in this strategy. You may find little lacking in the pictures taken with the Nokton and then have to ask why you should have to pay 8 times as much for the Summilux.
     
  29. bms

    bms

    After deciding I needed something in between 28 and 50mm, I went with a Nokton 35 f1.2, being about $4,000 short ... decent version of a "cheap man's Summilux" (though problematic CA wide open). Consider it, Steve Gandy had some in stock last I checked and it may actually APPRECIATE in value depedning on availablilty until the Lux ocmes in.
     
  30. Children must be more valuable in Australia - in Canada I doubt if I could get a Voigtlander for my firstborn (indeed I would probably have to pay to get rid of him!). I shoot and love my M6 and Contax Gs but have not yet moved to digital with a rangefinder (I have lots of Canon DSLRs and even a Panny G1). I am tempted by the M9 but the LCD, and high ISO performance have put me off. While not massive issues I think Leica may fix them and I am sure I would be the last person to buy just before they do.
    Enjoy your M9 and consider adding an M6 or M3
     
  31. Philip, the high ISO issue does not bother me at all, I rarely shoot above ISO 800. And with the fast glass leica
    produces, there is a good offset interns of speed. So for me there won't be an issue. Having f1.4 on a 35 mm lens
    shooting wide open at ISO 800, would equate to shooting @ f2.8 ISO 3200. And with a 50mm or a 35mm I am
    comfortable shooting down to 1/30th of a second.
     
  32. I have the 35 F1.4 and love this lens - it stays on my Leica most of the time. For some reason I sometimes shoot architecture and with my 5DII I can get good images at ISO 1600 and acceptable ones at ISO 3200 (for ice hockey I also shoot ISO 1600 but with a 1D or 7D and here the Leica would not work). With the Leica you will find that you can handhold at least 1 stop slower than with an SLR. I can shoot an SLR at 1/30 handheld with a 50mm lens and no IS (often even slower), with the Leica (or any rangefinder) I am at least 1 stop better than that. My 90mm lens is quite slow (Voigtlander F3.5 as I don't use it a lot and it is better than the cheap Leica 90s according to Erwin Puts the Leica expert) I have got good handheld shots at 1/30 with this lens if I am careful.
    Enjoy your leica - myself I am still debating but will probably buy the WATE and wait for the M10 (although getting an M9 and buying the WATE later is also attractive - the WATE is slightly cheaper than the body)
     
  33. Buying a Leica means having 80 years of lenses to choose from. The lens on my M9 right now is from 1938, made by Zeiss.

    So get the camera- pick up a Voigtlander or Zeiss or used Leica, why wait 6 months for lenses?

    On selling the first born... I funded my M9 by selling gear. 40+ years of collecting, barely made a dent.

    as far as ISO 2500 on the M9, looks better than any ISO 800 color film that I ever used.

    [​IMG]
     
  34. I too took my first plunge into rangefinder photography with the purchase of an M9-P.
    I was also lucky to lay my hands on a 50mm lux asph, 28mm cron asph and a Zeiss Biogon 35mm, which I think are the lenses that I really need to make the images that I like.
    Getting used to the way the camera works was not really a problem as I've used manual focus SLRs a long long time ago. The only problem though was the occasional forgetfulness of leaving the lens cap on.
    Go on, you'll enjoy the M9-P.
     
  35. Congratulations, Richard! If you get along with the rangefinder ethos, you may very well find that new M9 transforms your photography. When it shows up... just enjoy it. All will be revealed in time.

    In the meantime, the net is full of forums and reviews which speak to different aspects of the Leica M. And there are plenty of naysayers as well, of course - folks who made different choices or for whom the M9 costs too much and so they can't imagine others liking what they don't. That's just human nature, I suppose.

    Here's a long-running paen to the M9 by Thorsten Overgaard which you might enjoy...

    http://www.overgaard.dk/leica-M9-digital-rangefinder-camera.html
     
  36. Guys, thank you so much for your ongoing contribution and advice on this camera and the lenses, I am now getting quite excited about its arrival. I have consider all of teh advice provided here and am therefore greatful for your contributions.
    Regards
    Richard
     
  37. Just remember, the M9 will work with almost all the old Leica stuff, including the mirror box housing Visoflex 3 & associated telephoto lenses. I recommend some kind of half case to protect the body. Heavy brassing can look kind of careless, unless it is done with an abrasive Scotch belt (joke).
     

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