nikon film cameras

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by georgejonesie, Aug 7, 2020.

  1. I love the Nikon 24mm F2.8 lens. Worked perfectly for me on my F100 and now on my F6. Very compact. When I need a longer lens it's the 85mm F1.4. Heavy but perfect. Sold my 80-200 zoom years ago.
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  3. The AFP-FX 70-300 differs from the DX versions in that it has switches for both VR and AF modes. It is also an E aperture lens, while the DX are not. However, according to the compatibility charts, it also is compatible with several cameras, such as the D300, D7000, and D3 and D700, which the DX lens is not. I don't know just why that is, but that's Nikon's chart:
  4. On film, yes I'd agree that there's no discernible difference in IQ.

    There are arguments for both for in terms of distortion, which is something I don't really care about on digital but can be a big deal depending on your use on film. Per Ken Rockwell's correction tables, the 24-120 is better at 24 and 28mm(in particular 28mm), but the 24-70 pulls ahead at other focal lengths.

    If you look at vignetting, the 24-70mm is better at f/4 across the board than the 24-120. The 24-70mm has somewhat less vignetting at 24mm and f/2.8 than the 24-120 at f/4, but comparing both wide open, the 24-120 is better at all focal lengths though. Still, though, that's not exactly a fair comparison since wide open is a full stop larger. I also don't mind vignetting per se in the right situations, but I also prefer more control over it.

    On what digital bodies have you compared the two?
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  5. I was going to answer this earlier, but am glad I didn't since my answer would have been wrong! I have two of them(I think) but have never actually put film through one, and at least one of mine had a broken film door catch.

    First of all(and this is what I would have said earlier) the N6006 is happiest with screwdriver-focusing lenses with aperture rings. It will be fully functional with those, including of course AF and all operating modes. AI-P lenses(CPU manual focus) will also work in all exposure modes with all types of metering. AI/AIs lenses work in A and M without matrix metering.

    In common with the other first-gen AF cameras(save for the F4), no in-lens motors will work, including AF-I and AF-S.

    I stuck an AF-S G lens on the one I had handy, expecting it to have some functionality with G lenses. On an F4, N90, and I think N8008, you can at least access P and S modes with a G lens mounted and it will meter and expose fine.

    The N6006 is a different story. I tried with two different lenses, and it's actually semi-functional in M, although the lens is stuck wide open. Still, though, it correctly reports the maximum aperture. In P and S, however, it gives an fEE error, the same as what you would normally see if a lens with an aperture ring weren't set to minimum aperture.

    So, probably the most direct answer is "don't do it".
  6. I am shocked, shocked to discover that not all Nikon F mount lenses work on the universal Nikon F mount.

  7. Vincent Peri

    Vincent Peri Metairie, LA

    Hmm... I just watched
    Casablanca yesterday...
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  8. Well, to be fair, you could take a 70-200mm f/2.8E FL and stick it on your Nikon F.

    You could even meter with any of the metering prisms other than the last(and best) FTN. You'd just have to be sure to set the maximum aperture, and then move the tab on the front to the f/2.8 position.

    You just couldn't use any aperture smaller than f/2.8.
  9. 85mm F1.4 AF-D
  10. D800E and D810.
    Never on film.
  11. In my testing on a D810(and even D800) the f/2.8 is noticeably better. I suppose either my f/2.8 is exceptionally good, my f/4 is exceptionally bad, or otherwise both are consistent with testing like DXOmark which ranks the f/2.8 better when used on both the D800 and D810. I have posted full-resolution samples using the f/2.8 and D810 here in another thread. I have 24-120 samples taken that same day and will try to dig them up.

    I don't notice much if any difference on my Df, but that's a different ball game. I actually use the Df more often with the lighter 24-85 VR.
  12. I meant which of the AF lenses are better lenses. The standard kit zoom that came with it isn't very sharp. So I was thinking of getting a better AF one. Any recommendations? Tks.
  13. If you want a normal zoom and can find one without haze, the 35-70mm f/2.8 is hard to beat. It's a push-pull design and although heavier than the kit lens, is a lot lighter and more nimble than any of the f/2.8 "normal" zooms that came after it.
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  14. I don't know what the kit zoom was at that point, but the 28-105 that came out a few years later (not really a kit zoom, but often bundled with the F100) is very good, has a useful range, and does semi-macro close focusing. Or you could go for one of the pro zooms like the 35-70 f/2.8 that Ben mentions, or the 28-70 f/2.8 that followed it. You generally won't go wrong with the AF primes from this period, though the 35/2 has a reputation for developing sticky aperture blades. The 50s, like the 50/1.4, are as excellent as you'd expect. The 105/2 DC is a really special lens for portraits (not for the DC effect, just generally):

    Nikon 105mm f2 DC Users

    I'm rather a fan of the old 70-210 f/4 AF, the fixed aperture version - it won't win any prizes for focusing speed, but everything else is good. See this link:

    Dante Stella - 70-210 f/4 AF Nikkor
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  15. The 28-70mm f/2.8 won't AF on the N6006, unfortunately.
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  16. Good catch! It's AF-S, of course. I suppose the 'missing link' in the other thread, the 28-80 f/2.8 (prototype?), would be the ultimate standard zoom for these cameras if you could ever find one.
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  17. Yes, that lens would have been great for this generation AF cameras. Admittedly the F4 should work perfectly with the 28-70mm f/2.8, but the early cameras won't. I imagine a lot of people were still using their fairly high end N8008 when the 28-70mm came out.

    As much as I like the 35-70mm f/2.8, it's a bit cramped for me on the wide end.
  18. It seems really odd that nothing with a wider range reached production until the end of the 90s, especially if that 28-80 is what it seems. Looking back at the dates, Canon had a 28-70 f/2.8 in 1993 (with USM), yet when the strikingly advanced F5 launched in 1996 Nikon's fast standard zoom was still this limited range push-pull screwdriver lens from the previous decade, while their 80-200 was an early 90s refresh of another one-touch design from the same period. The 80-200 got its long-lived two ring makeover the following year, but it wasn't until 1999, six years after Canon, that you could put a 28-70 f/2.8 on that F5. Of course that year Nikon pulled out all the stops - a trio of AF-S f/2.8 zooms, the F100, and the D1.

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