Kodak EBX

Discussion in 'Film and Processing' started by kevin_williams|10, Dec 28, 2012.

  1. Does anyone know the history on this product? I believe the slide film went under the name of:
    Kodak Elite Chrome Extra Color EBX 100
    The slides have the letters EBX along-side the film perforations.
    Kodak publishes some data on the product however there is nothing about the date range of its manufacture? http://www.kodak.com/eknec/documents/a9/0900688a80316ba9/e126e.pdf
    I've contacted kodak with this question and they've side stepped the question by saying they no longer support this product.
    Does anyone know the history of this product, when they began manufacturing it through its discontinuation date?
    Any historical links on this product would be helpful.
    Regards,
    Kevin
     
  2. If you can find your film at http://www.taphilo.com/Photo/kodakfilmnumxref.shtml - he gives dates for some of the film varieties.
     
  3. Thanks JDM von Weinberg but as you might have noticed they don't give a date for the EBX. I had already found this page the other day. You would think we could infer a date from the "Film Code Number's" surrounding the EBX, but sadly they didn't assign those film code numbers sequentially by introduction date, If you move up or down the chart and compare FIlm Code Numbers and dates they differ wildly.
     
  4. Kevin, I have a few rolls of frozen EBX which is discontinued and likely expired) which I plan to put on ebay soon. Message me if you want me to let you know when its posted.
     
  5. I really enjoyed that film. The B&H price was great as well.
     
  6. Elitechrome Extra Color(EBX) was the "consumer" version of E100VS. Both seemed to be a misguided attempt to match Fuji Velvia for saturation and punch. Arguably the ugliest E6 materials Kodak ever coated.
    Info out there on these emulsions took about 30 seconds to find. Looks like they were around for about 7-8 years. Think your roll-out date is off, too.
     
  7. You can still buy it although at a premium now.
     
  8. C Watson
    What did you find on those emulsions? The link I found suggested a manufacturing run from 1991 - 2012 which fit some of my early recollections. Can you post a link of what you found on your 7-8 year run?
    Kevin
     
  9. I didn't notice that there wasn't a date, because I didn't find the film, but it sounds like you're getting help now. ;)
     
  10. I preferred EB to EBX for most subjects but I had mostly good luck with EBX. I once had a Minolta X-700 with me at an affair and had planned to shoot color negative film at the cocktail hour. There were about ten shots left on a roll of EBX and I didn't want to waste them. The colors were snappy with flash. One or two were a little garish. There was one woman who had perfect skin and a shot that included her was just great. I had prints made of all of the slides and I think they looked slightly better than the prints made from the color negative film. If had to choose just one of the films it would be EB for the more natural colors and still excellent grain and sharpness. When my EB is used up I will get some Fujichrome and experiment with some of that 200 speed Agfa made slide film.
     
  11. Hi Kevin;
    Funny, a while back I had the same exact question for a Kodak rep and he said EBX came out in 1998 along with E100VS. It's supposed to be the consumer version of E100VS but IMO they're completely different. I did a stained glass window project with it back in '04. I think it had really fine grain but because of that lacked texture. I also thought the reds were way too loud. Kodak has a discontinuance notice on their site that dates from March of this year.
     
  12. I've been shooting it from the introduction and am still shooting my remaining stock probably well into 2014.What a shame because it was one of my favorites and very affordable.
    You guys made me do a lot of work digging out my old Popular & Modern Photography Magazines to try answering this.I thought too it was introduced around 1991 but it looks like it became available starting in 1993 as a Elite range of films.Elite EA 50 asa,Elite EB 100 asa,Elite ED 200asa,Elite EI 400asa.
    I shot a lot of Agfa RSX 100 also during the latter period and remember it as a little more neutral than the Kodak products but close to Elite EB 100.That was a very nice film that unfortunately went down with the complete Agfa line.
    EBX (extra color) must of come after the year 2000.I never shot a lot of it because it is very saturated and off color like some of the Fuji saturated products.I used it mostly for punchy summer and fall landscapes.
    Unfortunately I stopped getting most photo magazines around the year 2000 (because they were going mostly digital - not a digital slam but just how I felt at the time) so I can't give a exact date for the EBX terminology.
    It does appear the Kodak Elite we knew and used was introduced around 1993.
     
  13. In my previous comment I should emphasize "it looks like it became available in 1993" I was referring to the Kodak Elite line of film and not EBX (extra color).
    I have a hunch it (EBX)was introduced late in 1998 or early 1999 but not widely distributed until after early 2000.
    Funny,when you try to research Kodak film history they are very vague on introduction dates.Maybe a lot goes out to the pros and magazine testers long before the 'little guys' can get their hands on it.
     
  14. EBX was introduced and heavily advertised in POP Photo in the late 90s, early
    2000s. One of the best, most beautiful landscape slide films of all time IMO.
    Unlike Velvia, it has good skin tones for people in your scenic travel shots.
     
  15. Randall,
    I believe you are correct because Elite II was introduced around that time and I remember it was punched up in saturation and had finer grain.Yes,Elite in all forms handled skin tones pretty well compared to the Fuji Velvia products.Agfa also did very well with skin tones.
    Maybe someday digital cameras will add vintage film effects to their choices? Anyone for that Kodachrome look?
     
  16. Well Fujifilm already offers Velvia, Provia and Astia modes in some of their digital cameras.
    I did a round-the-world trip in 2004/2005 and brought mostly Fuji Sensia with me, but also some rolls of a few other films. That was the only time I tried Elite Chrome Extra Color 100. I didn't like the results. I used it in the Australian outback, and just found it too saturated. I preferred the colours I got with Fuji Sensia.
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  17. Hey Jeff. Where do you get this Agfa slide film you speak of? I would be interested in buying some and then cross processing it.
     
  18. 'a misguided attempt" &"ugliest".

    There's always one who just has to jump in to gratuitously put down others people's prefered film. Similar to chiming in on a discussion of a music band to tell the partcipants how crappy the band is and that they are some other band wannabes.
     
  19. Thanks Colin O,
    Hey thanks for that product directory. That one didn't turn up on my emulation search. I see that publication date, that has me downright confused. So much so I also looked up the kodak directory for those pages in the Wayback Machine | http://archive.org | I did this because I found an EBX slide I dis-mounted and it was dated 11/94 so the introduction date of this film stock becomes more bizarre.
    The Wayback Machine first crawled this product page in September 2, 2000 but Kodak began publishing this part of their website in 1999 using the surrounding directories and dating the results. The e126 HTML you posted was started 1998-09-02 from what I read in the metadata page header. Colin if you have a index page for kodak's film emulsion pages let me know and I'll look over the other linked product pages for other creation dates. It may tell us something, perhaps nothing.
    As I look over the other Kodak Emulsions. . . here is another good resource to bookmark see URL | http://www.quadrumedia.com/film/135-kodak . . . You'll find some are cross-referenced with older film codes as if the actual introduction dates predated the more current references.
    What I find interesting is the early EKTACHROME line which the EBX is derived from. It originates from the KODAK EKTACHROME Film, Type F and Type B at least from what I can tell in this incomplete list and it originally needed E2 processing. http://www.quadrumedia.com/film/135-kodak
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    This early EKTACHROME line rendered move vivid saturated colors but less accurate and repeatable colors from what I read.
    What I'm getting from everyones posts so far coupled with the reference materials, Kodak seems to have slowly ramped its product releases. Possibly offering some retail channels access to its new releases to gain feedback, momentum and word of mouth recommendations. At this point I have no doubt EBX began circulating in 1991 as this URL link suggests (I'd really like to know the wikipedia date source) but didn't really gain a foothold until the end of the 90's when Kodak began active marketing the ELITE Chrome Extra Color 100 product name.
    I believe Douglas Vitello is correct also on the Kodak Elite advertisements. I remember a whole slew of ASA choices starting around 1993-94.
    As far as comparison to the the E100VS line. I think it was a much more evolved product for the professional market. Looking back on the EKTACHROME T-Grain stocks they seem to have begun towards the end of the 1980's. The EBX caught my attention because of its vibrant colors however the E100VS seemed to maintain a neutral gray scale that the EBX didn't. The EBX would also sometimes disappoint me towards the magic hour just before sunset with color shifts. Other times it would give me magical unexpected results. The E100VS was just more consistent without the surprise's.
    This is getting interesting, I didn't think this thread would take us in this direction. Thanks for everyones candor, specially Douglas Vitello for all the invested time looking up the old Elite advertisements. I look forward to reading more and hope someone finds the 1991 EBX introduction reference someone failed to include in wikipedia.
    Regards,
    Kevin
     
  20. The EBX ELITE Chrome Extra Color 100 was also marketed under these names.
    KODAK EKTACHROME 100 High Color
    KODAK EKTACHROME ELITE Extracolor 100
    KODAK Professional ELITE Chrome Extra Color 100
    Kevin
     
  21. a misguided attempt" &"ugliest".
    There's always one who just has to jump in to gratuitously put down others people's prefered film. Similar to chiming in on a discussion of a music band to tell the partcipants how crappy the band is and that they are some other band wannabes.

    Gratuitous? Used it, hated it, live with it, OK? It's dead anyway, John. That's a fact, bro.
     
  22. Okay the last Popular Photography that I saved from 12/97 does not list it from the big guys like B&H,Adorama,The Film Shop.At that point in time the Kodak nonpro slide films were Elite II versions (EA,EB,ET,ED,EL).The Pro Ektachromes were (EPR,EPY,E100s,E100sw,EPP,EPN,EPT,EPD,EPJ,EPL,ESD).
    I believe it came out a little later and was a pumped version of Elite II nonpro to compete with the wildly popular Fuji saturated films.
    Looking at this issue I was very surprised how popular digital had already become.I guess I was living in lala land!I was shooting Canon F1N's and FDn lenses at the time and still had not even purchased a auto focus film camera yet........I have a little of everything today but still am shooting my F1N most of the time with Elitechrome.Yeah,I'm stuck in the past.
     
  23. Douglas,
    Me too I shot neg and slide into 2002 and resisted the change all the way. In my last year I dual mounted a Canon T-70 and a Canon D-10 together on several events and rigged a dual shutter button so I could do a side by side comparison of the same image from each camera. After that I never looked back and have shot digital since.
     
  24. Yeah,I'm stuck in the past.​
    No Douglas, you’re wrong. You’re stuck in photography and it’s timeless.
    Kodak EBX never was my favorite emulsion but it is a fine film. (well if C Watson hates it let him live with his hate). As it was previously mentioned EBX is a consumer version of Ektachrome 100VS. My biggest disappointment about these films is a grain size. RMS 11 a bit coarse for ISO100. I have 1998 B&H catalog and EBX is not listed there. Also I have 1997 Practical Photography Digest with 97 Films tested and Compared and EBX wasn’t there either. I believe that EBX appeared at same time as 100VS, around 1999. And predecessors of EBX I guess would be Ektachrome Lumiere (LPP-100) or Ektachrome Panther 100X. To my memory I didn’t like them due to quite strong, overpowered red bias. The EBX (or 100VS) has much better and pleasant colors.
     
  25. EBX (EliteChrome Extra Color 100) was the consumer version of Ektachrome E100VS. I was part of the R&D team that created these films; the films were first commercialized in 1999.
     
  26. I think I have some of that in my freezer. It's a good film for shooting outdoors with a bit of added saturation. It was on sale until a year or two ago.
     
  27. I know that you could buy Elite Chrome Extra Color 100 up until at least May of 2012, when I bought a bunch from B&H Photo in NY. Even at that time, their stock was dwindling. A couple weeks later it was all gone. The rolls in my freezer have an expiration of August 2013.
    It actually is a great film...very sharp and renders blues and oranges extremely well in natural light. I went to the Biltmore in Asheville, NC for New Years and the slides turned out very well, even ones taken at dusk and of the sunsets.
    Someone in this thread mentioned film effects on digital cameras. I know there are at least a couple Kodak branded cameras (I have the Z990) that have this feature. They actually turn out really cool!
     

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