nicholas_yu Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Hi everyone, I was just wondering what other people thought about Photography as being dangerous. I never thought so, until I was jumped. I mean it makes sense, alone shooting at the times when there are less people around, shooting during the 'magic hours'. I was totally taken by surprise with my face buried in the viewfinder. Before I knew it I was being choked and taken to the ground. Eventually I passed out and awoke to a beating that I wont soon forget. This was over a month ago, I just now look normal again. I dont really care about the equipment, I would have just given it up (it is insured). I was in Amsterdam, in a busy part of town (not the RLD) at 7:30am total daylight, with local merchants opening shop for the day. In fact there were people no further than 250m away, which did nothing. If you havnt ever thought about it before, just be cautious. I typically count that when I am around people I am safe, not always so. I hope this never happens to you. Take care people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucecahn Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Nicholas: Sorry you had to go through that. I keep a wary eye out when working in the NYC streets. Numerous times I have seen thugs sizing me up to decide if it was the right move to attack me. One of them even left and returned with help, by which time I was leaving the area. The rules are: always be aware of what is going on around you, carry the least amount of expensive equipment possible, and keep that hidden unless you are shooting. Also, be insured. Lately I have substituted a plastic Rollei throwaway for my Leica, for several reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasmckown Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Glad you are ok now. I think I prefer taking my chances with the bears and mountain lions in the hills. Its pretty sad that nobody did anything to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcleland Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 It is very sad that no one did anything to help. Even sadder that it's not <b>surprising</b> no one did anything. <br><br> Fortunately, the most dangerous thing I've encountered so far is walking into traffic while "composing" a shot. Thanks for sharing that with us; it must have been a nightmare. It's a good reminder to the rest of us to be careful when walking around with expensive equipment, and that it could happen to any one of us. <br><br> Glad you're getting back to normal. <i>Buy some pepper spray!</i> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_moravec1 Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Keep a friend to help you. Mine is named Colt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Doo Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I am sorry to hear about your terrible ordeal; and it was outrageous that no one even cared to call the cops. I hope these bad people will get what's due them. I think it pays to buddy up when shooting in big crowded cities. Mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_gillette Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 Being surprised means whatever you might have had to even the odds isn't going to do you much good. Probably a random opportunity robbery but maybe you stumbled across, even unknowingly, something someone didn't want photographed. But photography does have the risk that there are times you may be too focused on the subject matter or the camera than your surroundings. So there may be a somewhat greater risk than just simply strolling along. There is a lot of sense to being buddied up wherever you are shooting because you do take your attention off the surroundings to concentrate on the subjects or the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwcombs Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Ditto on the buddy system. If I'm shooting somewhere a bit isolated, or really early or late, I will always enlist the help of someone to come with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henkelphoto Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 If I'm going to an area that I know to be a bit unsafe, I always work with another person. That way, we can watch each others' backs while shooting. There was an instance in So. Utah recently where a couple went out to photograph wild horses in the winter. When they didn't return, everyone thought that they had been the victims of foul play. Surprise was that they showed up 10 days later after being caught in a snow drift and having to walk out. But the threat was there, otherwise we all wouldn't have thought the worse. My wife suggests that when I go out in the wilderness (which isn't so wild anymore--at least the four-legged variety) that I take our dog with me as she can sense something going wrong much sooner than I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_rasmussen Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Yes, photography can be dangerous. I had gotten vey sick on a shoot in the South Pacific, caused by mosquitoes. I was nearly hit by lightning in 2000 while trying to shoot lightning. I came across a hive of Africanized Bees and was too far from my car to have escaped if they had come after me. One has to know what the risks are, where you are shooting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew_newton Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I am sorry to hear about that. I try to figure out what part of town is fairly safe (if I need to I'll do some research ahead of time) and stay away from shooting in unsafe areas, especially during 'bad times' of day. When I was in Chicago last year I did a fair amount of shooting at night, but I wouldn't consider the areas I shoot in to be particularly bad (Wabash Ave and some around Navy Pier). I do try to be congnizant of what is going around me when I shoot whenever I can, especially if I am alone. Most of my travels are with my wife however, so I always have a buddy along to keep a real eye on what is going on while I shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Soare Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 <i>"Keep a friend to help you. Mine is named Colt."</i><br><br> Your friend may help you at home (that is, if you're lucky enough to live in the US), but it won't help you while traveling abroad. I really doubt you could take him with you to Amsterdam (or to any European country for that matter). ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey L.T. von Glück Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Amen, Ronald. Smith & Wesson, or Herr Glock, are comforting companions, but Mr. Colt--as in Government Model M1911 .45--is a personal favorite. The great equalizer! Jeffrey L. T. von Gluck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 "Smith & Wesson, or Herr Glock, are comforting companions, but Mr. Colt--as in Government Model M1911 .45--is a personal favorite. The great equalizer!" As Nicholas poitned out " I was totally taken by surprise with my face buried in the viewfinder. Before I knew it I was being choked and taken to the ground." Can you please explain how having a gun, even it is visible to the whole world, is going to help you in that situation while you are completely pre-occupied by doign something else and are jumped from behind? I wonder how many of you who are so macho about gun ownership have actually been shot at? (I have had that experience three times: once by a biker who was trying to run me off the road; once by a crack dealer who didn't like me taking photos in his neighborhood; , and once by a drunk celebrating New Years) And how many of you , except possibly in combat if you were in the military or living in a war zone, have shot at a person with the intent to do serious damage to someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Doo Posted April 29, 2008 Share Posted April 29, 2008 I see no point in carrying something that is lethal 24/7 when the chance of using it for self-defence is probably nil through one's lifetime, not to mention that it can potentially get one into trouble when misused under impulse. I believe we have all read news accounts where someone was killed in a situation where the murder or manslaughter would not have occurred if the weapon was not there. Mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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