Epson printer..how long could you let it *sleep* without printing

Discussion in 'Digital Darkroom' started by patricklavoie, May 14, 2009.

  1. Hi,
    Well, here's a info that might interested anyone who ask " Can i let my printer OFF and don't print on it for a long period ? ".
    So to answer your questions i have let intentionally my epson 2400 in the box, in the storage room normal temperature, normal humidity with a full set of ink, except the Light gray that was almost empty. The printer didtn print anything since last SUMMER! Meaning for over 1 year.
    I needed it today so i put it on the table, plug it, install the latest driver on my Mac, and run a AUTO nozzle check and cleaning..after the first pass you could see that the Black was clogged, another pass was perfect as all the head where clean.
    I then just print 50 11x17, a mix of BW and Color and all is PERFECT.
    So how long could you let your epson 2400 turn OFF without printing anything on it..well now you know that it could be a year : )
    * I have a 1400 and a 7880 that print like crazy since last summer do ; )
     
  2. I would love to hear this answer. I have a 4880 and I sometimes let it go 3-4 weeks with no pronting. I disabled the auto power-on nozzle check because I thought it was wasting ink. I have not had any problems, but I have not exceeded four weeks.
     
  3. I have a 7880 that sleep for 2month on the summer since im taking some time off..when im back, a simple auto nozzle check do the job.
    After speaking with a senior rep at Epson last year, he told me that you should use the Epson Utility in your computer to clean the head vs the control panel on the Epson itself..it take less ink to clean? dont know why..and dont care, since he told me to use the software instead im not gonna fight him : )
     
  4. Patrick,
    Your experiences seem to contradict those of many other people. My 2200 has a tendency to clog after only weeks of non-use.
     
  5. Frans, very true but the 2400 (4800, 3800, 4880, etc.) have the improved K-3 inkset.
     
  6. My 2200 experience is the same as Frans', also with my old 1280. I try (not always successfully) to remember to print a nozzle check about once per week during periods of non-use. That seems to control the problem.
     
  7. My 2200 never really clog either, but i live in a pretty normal area of the world as for humidity and temperature...but whe are talking about 2400 and up now, so now you know that with those it work : )
     
  8. Rob,
    Are you saying that the K3 and/or the improved K3 inksets have inherently less clogging issues? That would be music to my ears as my next printer more than likely would be an Epson with K3 IF those inks are less clogging-prone. The clogging on my 2200 is so persistent that I've been thinking that my next printer would have to have either nozzles on the cartridges a la HP or easily/low cost replaceable print heads.
     
  9. That is what I have read, and heard from others.
     
  10. guys..stop talking about 10 years old printer..any printer below the 2200 where using dye ink or similar cheap problem ink..im talking about the 2400 2400 2400 2400 2400 here and up model.
     
  11. Rob,
    Can you tell me where you've read/heard that? I'm very much interested to learn more about this!
     
  12. My 4800 is not responding to repeated nozzle checks/cleanings to clear a magenta clog. Time for a power clean, except
    that several other ink tanks are too low and the utility will not permit a power clean in that situation. A shame, as they have
    enough ink for many more prints. Also a shame that all inks are wasted in a cleaning, rather than just the one with the clog.

    What's probably not so odd, is the same thing happened a year ago - when a couple of otherwise useful tanks were too low
    for a power clean.
     
  13. PN for starters...
     
  14. Frans reading it HERE is not enough? : )
    But yes, if you google epson k3 ink you should get zillion of report about no clogging issue..its was THE most speaking feature when epson release those ink.
     
  15. Patrick,
    I GET it, but my 2200 is not 10 years old and uses pigment ink and I'm very concerned about clogging of my pigment ink 2200 and wonder about clogging of pigment ink K3 printers.
     
  16. >>> and I'm very concerned about clogging of my pigment ink 2200 and wonder about clogging of pigment ink K3 printers.

    Still happens. Lot of reports out there. Including from friends that have the same printer or 2400...
     
  17. Brad, when I had my 2400, before I got the 4880, there was a utility I downloaded that I was told would allow you to clean one nozzle at a time. I never used it and I do not know if it would work for a 4800, but perhaps Patrick knows.
     
  18. OK Frans, epson 2200 was made in 2002..sorry 7 years old : )
     
  19. Frans, I'm beginning to feel like we live on the wrong side of the tracks in Printertown. :)
     
  20. William,
    I think you're right. Just checked my 2200 nozzles again since I didn't print for one day (just to be sure they're OK) and found most cyan nozzles clogged but all others OK. After cleaning all cyan nozzles are fine but now a few light cyan, light magenta and light black nozzles are out. Hope people now understand why nozzle clogging is a big deal for me even to the point where I might consider going over to the dark side (HP) and get fresh nozzles with every new cartridge or can replace the print heads relatively easy and at a low cost.
     
  21. Patrick,
    So here is what I learned when googling for this issue. Nowhere do I find information that indicates that the K3 inks by themselves are less prone to clogging. But apparently the print heads in the newer large format printers and the 13" wide R2880 are treated with a special ink repellent coating to minimize nozzle clogging and Automatic Nozzle Check technology to clean the print heads when clogs are found.
    While that is encouraging, there are also reports of clogging of these newer printers even to the point where people switched to other brands, although such reports hardly equal hard data. So, my question is: where do I find reliable information on how clogging of newer Epson printers with K3 inks compares to the older printers with pigment ink?
     
  22. Well Frans, you know me ..thats a beginning : )
    My Epson 1400, 2400 (just came out of hibernation) and my 7880 dont ahve any clogged problem, and never had. My epson 4800 that i had before was also a excllent clogged free printer..and my previous 2200 had some moment, but nothing terrible. On the other hand my 1280 and epson 3000 where a disaster..even during a print job the head clogged LOL.
    I know Godfrey and Ken have also epson printer, and i dont recall them talking about clogged issue..but would have to comfirm that with them.
    Its my dream to be able to change print head with each new ink cart..and not being able to get neutral black white print..just kidding (or at least it was true in the past with HP brown looking bw) : )
    _____
    On the other hand, since the epson printer i have seem to like Montreal and the temperature, you are more than welcome to rent the 800sqr2 appartment aside my place; 750$CAN is a deal ..and no epson problem! : )
     
  23. My R2400 often goes for 4-6 weeks without printing with no problems other than a simple head cleaning with the epson utillity. My 4800 is pretty good as well and I have only needed to do a power cleaning once when it sat for several months. Ditto for my 7800. The K3 inks make a difference. The 2200, with Epson's original archival inks, was/is much more clog prone.
     
  24. The old, pre-K3 Epsons ALL clogged. In three years I've had CLOG FREE performance my Epson 2400. What a superb printer. I used to have a 1280 that clogged a lot (same environment).
    By & Large, the modern K3 inkjets do not clog. Soemtimes I print a lot, sometimes nothing for 5-6 weeks. Perfection each time (except they are often a royal bitch to feed paper -- talk about finicky!)
     
  25. I live in Arizona - dry and hot - and during the summer months, my 2400 printer sits idle for at least 3 moths. A simple nozzle check and clean is all it takes to bring it back to life. I have had my 2400 for about three years now.
     
  26. Ken, i know about the loading thing..i have try for the past 12min to print on Hannemuhle Photo Rag duo..after 30 slide thru on the 2400..i put the sheet in my 7880 : )
     
  27. This may not have any baring on the subject at hand since I use a cheap Epson NX400 that uses the DuraBrite pigment inks. But just for FYI, when I checked out the cost of Epson replacement inks at OfficeMax it said on the side of the box to use within 6 months. They didn't give a reason why, but I guess it might have something to do with clogging, maybe.
    I did find out that this water resistant DuraBrite ink wipes off Epson Premium Glossy paper with alcohol so that might be a solution to unclogging heads. Some have used ammonia based products and glycol based like Glass Plus but these solutions don't evaporate quickly like alcohol.
    Also I've been doing some reading on Epson inks and the newer printers with newer formulation of inks have improved considerably in their efficiency in laying down less ink to reduce clogging.
     
  28. it said on the side of the box to use within 6 months. They didn't give a reason why, but I guess it might have something to do with clogging, maybe.​
    The use by date should be on the individual Epson packaging and is normally way beyond 6 months of date of purchase. Once a cartridghe is installed though, Epson advises to use it no longer than 6 months although many people use them way beyond without any issues. This has nothing to do with clogging as clogging occurs in the print heads, not the ink cartridges.
     
  29. I've spreadsheeted every single one of my ink cart changes on my 2400 since day 1.
    Right now my oldest cart was installed 8/24/2008 (Magenta, the one that's used the least, I replace that color on average every 8 mos).
    Clog free!
    Most used color for me? Lt. Magenta -- every 2.5 mos. a new one.
     
  30. Frans,
    Did you find any info on the reason why Epson says to use the cartridge up within 6 months after installing it? Why would they give that kind of warning and not give a reason. Makes no sense.
     
  31. Oh, you guys are so spoiled!
    I do garment printing and my machine runs an auto head clean EVERY 6 HOURS. I do a daily nozzle check and always expect some clogging of white ink (used to print white underbase on black garments so the graphics will show). The printer requires daily manual cleaning of the capping station and wiper.
    LOL, I know we're talking apples and oranges here. Just thought my personal hell might make you guys feel a little better. I learn a lot from reading you guys' posts and I appreciate you all sharing your learning and experience.
     
  32. Frans,
    Did you find any info on the reason why Epson says to use the cartridge up within 6 months after installing it? Why would they give that kind of warning and not give a reason. Makes no sense.​
    You can figure that out yourself. Ink doesn't last forever; it "spoils" after "a while". Epson has determined that time period to be 6 months from date of installation or the "use by" info on the packaging, whichever comes first. Could you go longer? Possibly, but Epson apparently felt 6 months is a period safe enough not to run into any problems. Any thing longer and you are on your own and out of warranty.
     
  33. I was always spouting the "turn it off, epson says so" line, and got occasional clogs.
    Now I leave it on for weeks, seems to work better. No idea why...
     
  34. >>> I was always spouting the "turn it off, epson says so" line, and got occasional clogs.
    Now I leave it on for weeks, seems to work better.

    I've tried it both ways, since I've had my 4800 (3 years). Seems to make no difference for me....
     
  35. jtk

    jtk

    My 2200 with OEM ink sat for months at a time without any use, never gave me trouble..at worst I'd need to do a cleaning cycle. Another 2200 with MIS Eboni B&W ink needed a cleaning cycle if it sat for a week...ultimately couldn't be cleaned. I think both of those experiences are typical of 2200...rarely a problem with OEM, usually a problem with non-OEM. Excellent machine when used properly. I don't think it made any difference if machine was turned off or left on between use. I trashed the non-OEM machine, gave the good one away.
    My 3800 sometimes sits for several weeks without printing and with only two cleaning cycles in four months....OEM ink, of course. Wonderful machine...the big ink tanks make it more economical than 2200 was, and it's faster. I never turn this machine off.
     
  36. I have had the same experiences as John w/ an Epson 1280 and MIS Eboni Black ink. 3 or 4 days is all I feel comfortable with w/o doing 4 nozzle cleanings. It was the same w/ my 2200's. That's about what you'd expect w/ a carbon based ink like Eboni. I have set the printer up for as long as two months in the past, but it took a lot of nozzle cleanings after that, and it printed erratically for a spell, so I won't do that again.
     
  37. >>when I had my 2400, before I got the 4880, there was a utility I downloaded that I was told would allow you to clean one nozzle at a time.<<
    Rob, can you please share where/how we can find/get this utility? Thanks!
     
  38. I have the 2400, live in a fairly dry apartment, and have few, if any, clogging issues.
     
  39. >>> Rob, can you please share where/how we can find/get this utility? Thanks!


    I'm also very interested...
     
  40. let me see in my archive..i remember something like that, but dont recal it was cleaning 1 head at a time..i think it was printing a set of color automaticaly or something to make sure that once a week the head where use..
     
  41. It shouldn't make any difference whether or not you leave your printer on and here is why. To avoid the printhead from drying out and causing clogs the "carriage" (printhead and ink cartridges) is "parked" in the "service station" to the right. When parked the printheads are capped and power to the printheads is switched off to prevent any heating/drying out. The carriage is parked at the end of every print job and before the printer is switched off so in terms of drying out it doesn't make any difference.
    However, some printers, when not in use, periodically may test for clogging and/or go through a cleaning cycle and those printers should NOT be swithched off. Read your manual and follow the manufacturer's instructions; they are the experts.
     
  42. >>> However, some printers, when not in use, periodically may test for clogging and/or go through a cleaning cycle and
    those printers should NOT be swithched off. Read your manual and follow the manufacturer's instructions; they are the
    experts.

    Which specific model printers must not be switched off per the manufacturer's instructions?
     
  43. Which specific model printers must not be switched off per the manufacturer's instructions?​
    I would think you should read the manufacturer's instructions.
     
  44. >>> I would think you should read the manufacturer's instructions.

    I think you misunderstood my question...

    You said there are printers that should not be switched off; per manufacturers instructions. I'm wonder which specific
    printers you are speaking of.
     
  45. Reportedly some large format printers periodically check for clogs and if detected apply a clean cycle.
     
  46. Glad so many people do not have any issues. However, I was researching for a wide fromat printer the last a couple of weeks and it seems that the 7900 and the 9900 have some clogging issues and some users complain of high ink waste trying to keep them clog free. Which is like deja vu for me, that is exactly the reasons I left the ranks of Epson users. Neither the Canon or HP printers exhibit as much clogging reports. The HP cleans its self pretty much daily, but is still considered frugal with ink. Just wish Epson could do that, and no I don't want some junk free ware to try and do it.
    I think there are some climate factors that influance the frequency of clogging. A very dry climate I think promotes clogging. Since I live in a very dry climate, I don't think I can get the 7900 or realistically any Epson. Which is highly disappointing since they are reported to be the best printers on the market in terms of color gamute and resolution.
    So, while it is great that you don't have a problem and never had. It may be because of where you live and work, not because Epson fully solved the issue. I do hope that the newer ink sets did resolve the issue for more people. However, it does not seem to have resolved the issue for everyone. Just want people to realize that the issue may not be fully resolved, wish it were I would like to own a Epson again.
     
  47. Unfortunately, I do not remember where I got that Epson utliity that lets you purge heads individually on the 2400.
     
  48. Fran said:
    You can figure that out yourself. Ink doesn't last forever; it "spoils" after "a while".​
    Well I did a thorough search as best I could and didn't find any evidence or data that showed what this would look like or if it even happens all together. Would appreciate a link to some site if available that proves and shows ink spoils and what to look for if and when this happens.
     
  49. My Epson 3800 still has two of the original ink cartages that came with the printer (cyan and magenta) that are still about 1/4 of the way from empty, and I just replaced the yellow last week. The printer is over two years old, sometimes I will go 4 or 5 weeks with out printing, with no clogging, or any other problems at all. Prints look just like day one.
    The 6 month shelf life from Epson IMO is just a way to sell more ink.
     

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