jsc1 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>One of these images was taken with an Argus A (1938). The other image was taken with a Leica M3 DS (1956, date approximate...) and a Summicron 50 (1956, approximate).<br> The film was identical (Fuji Acros 100). The exposure was identical. The development was identical.<br> Which is which?<br> And which do you like better?<br> (just for fun)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsc1 Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>#1</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsc1 Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>#2</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter Schaefer Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>#1 is too dark on my screen; #2 is much better in that regard but lacks contrast and appears flat. No idea which one was taken with which camera - not that it matters anyway. Now, where does the fun part start?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjferron Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>?? Different exposures, different cameras, Low res Jpeg on screen. Enough shutterspeed for decent handheld sharpness? Too many variables.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_l3 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>#2 is the Leica M3 and Summicron</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike dixon Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I'm not sure what I'm supposed to like about either of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_nu_tamm Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>I see sharper corners and less vignetting on second picture, so I assume it's a f/2 lens stopped down a few stops, rather than a slower lens at maximum aperture? It probably has less distorsion too. So yes, I like second image "more", since it doesn't associate with that famous "brick" camera:)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Smith Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>Top is Argus. Bottom is Summicron. But I don't like either of the shots - next time take a shot of something more interesting is my suggestion.</p> Robin Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie_cheung Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>They are evidence that people can and do take lousy photos with a crappy cam or with a Leica?</p> <p>More of <em><strong>"a Challenge"</strong></em> to take a beautiful photograph either with or without a Leica...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsc1 Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>@ <a href="/photodb/user?user_id=290903">Leslie Cheung</a><br> <strong>...taken with an Argus A</strong></p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph_c._ohlsen Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>I'm guessing the one with softness at the edges is the Argus (#1) evidenced by the fuzzy top of the drain pipe. I like the second one because the first one is too dark. The second one seems more "warm" in tone. </p> <p>Factors that were not taken into account are the uncoated lens of the Argus, different distances that the pic.s were shot from (leaves in some, not in others), if focusing is accurate in the Argus and condition of the Argus lens/accuracy of the shutter timing. Were both printed on the same type paper? </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frederick_muller Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>I won't try to guess which is which, but I like number 2 better. Number 1 is too dark and a bit too contrasty. Number 2 looks like it has more shadow detail. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_wheatland Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>Minute details are crisper in image number two thus IMHO taken with Leica/ Summicron.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jody_stowitts Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>#1 most likely (by paradox) to be the summicron.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_tran14 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>How can I find the EXIF data?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_hooper1 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>I prefer the IQ of the second image. If the first image was taken with the Leica, there is something wrong with the technique used, or the lens. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumo_kun Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 <p>You should be getting closer if you are shooting brick walls for testing ;)<br> But yes, given the limited information, it is impossible to tell which was shot with which camera. The first is significantly lower in absolute IQ than the second. Vignetting, not sharp etc. It could be either the Leica or Argus shot wide open. The second is a lot sharper but stopped down, just about any lens can take sharp pictures.<br> Which do I like better? I like Leica because that's what I have :)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_abbott1 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 <p>Both are crap...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mila-g Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 <p>Ditto Thomas's remark. Image 2 is better IMHO</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray_dicecca Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 <blockquote> <p>How can I find the EXIF data?</p> </blockquote> <p>I use the FxIF add-on in Firefox to view EXIF info: (for images #1 & 2)</p> <blockquote> <p>Camera Maker: Nikon<br />Camera Model: Nikon SUPER COOLSCAN 9000 ED<br />Image Date: 2010:06:16 09:27:56<br />Color Space: Dot Gain 20%</p> <p>Camera Maker: Nikon<br />Camera Model: Nikon SUPER COOLSCAN 9000 ED<br />Image Date: 2010:06:16 09:28:21<br />Color Space: Nikon Apple RGB 4.0.0.3000<br /><br /></p> </blockquote> <p> </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastair_anderson Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 <p>For what it's worth, I really like both pictures. The second one is better. I couldn't comment on the equipment.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastair_anderson Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 <p>Josiah, this post has been around long enough now. Perhaps you can tell us which was taken with what.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsc1 Posted June 23, 2010 Author Share Posted June 23, 2010 <p>Of course, Alastair.<br> Image #1 was taken with a fixed lens Argus A. The shutter/lens assembly 'reads' "I.R.C. f/4.5 Anastigmat."<br> Image #2 was taken with a Leica M3 DS and a collapsible Summicron-M 50/2.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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