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What happens to your DAM (Library) when you stop subscribing to Adobe? NOTHING. It still functions. Develop and Maps will cease to run. Adobe could hold you hostage in terms of the DAM, and the fantastic Print module but they don't. The anti-Adobe folks with pitchforks ready don't tell you such facts.

Some of the metadata can be transferred to another DAM but some is proprietary so no, it's not understood. Forget your image editing metadata, that's proprietary. But keywords as an example and much of the metadata you can see and access in the Library (Metadata pane there) will transfer if the newer DAM is written to provide this non proprietary and common metadata (for example, EXIF and IPTC).

 

First, I was replying to Mike Dale's suggest to "ditch Adobe" My reply was that it is not a trivial task. I stand by that statement.

 

Second my copy of Lightroom is the perpetual license version of LR6; I do not subscribe. I also run Photoshop CS5 which is not a subscription version.

 

I agree for subscribers who for some reason decide to stop paying Adobe, the Library module will continue to work, BUT the user cannot add any new images to the Library and any changes made to images in the Library by an alternative editor will not be reflected in the Library. The user would need a new DAM. Unless the user wanted to use two DAMs to try to find images, he would have to import all his old images into the new DAM. As best I can tell keywords are not included in the Metadata for RAW images; EXIF and IPTC are included in RAW files. Keywords are listed in the right hand panel of the Library Module, but separate from and above the Metadata subpanel.Thus the new DA would have to be able to read the Lightroom Catalog or XMP files to retrieve the keywords and the keyword hierarchy.

 

As I wrote, leaving Lightroom is not a trivial problem - especially for someone who has tens of thousands of images going back years if not decades.

I agree for subscribers who for some reason decide to stop paying Adobe, the Library module will continue to work, BUT the user cannot add any new images to the Library and any changes made to images in the Library by an alternative editor will not be reflected in the Library.

What gave you that idea? You can continue to import images and even Quick Develop will still operate.

 

What happens to Lightroom after my membership ends?

Mike Pasini says:

July 11, 2014 at 9:53 am

Tom, can you confirm that the Library module is unaffected, allowing new imports to the Catalog and quick edits? TIA

 

Tom Hogarty says:

July 11, 2014 at 12:00 pm

Confirmed.

 

First, I was replying to Mike Dale's suggest to "ditch Adobe" My reply was that it is not a trivial task. I stand by that statement.

As I wrote, leaving Lightroom is not a trivial problem - especially for someone who has tens of thousands of images going back years if not decades.

More so if you believe the FUD. :D

It was easy to go from the Organizer in Photoshop Elements to Lightroom. I doubt the reverse is true.

Not possible.

it sux these companies hold you hostage via software. your programs are rentals!

 

find an old version of photoshop or whatever from the xp days that doesnt require updates n use that?

 

its time people send these companies a message, dont support them anymore! find other stand alone programs, find a work around. stop being their slaves!

its time people send these companies a message, dont support them anymore! find other stand alone programs, find a work around. stop being their slaves!

For some, reality sucks:

Increased Creative Cloud Adoption Can Drive Upside To Adobe's Valuation

Adobe stock has surged by over 77% in 2017 as its Creative Cloud services have seen robust adoption of late.

Increased Adoption Of Creative Cloud Can Boost Valuation By 30%

 

The Creative Cloud division makes up 54% of Adobe’s value, according to our estimates. The key drivers for this division are the Average Revenue per Subscriber and total Creative Software market. Creative Cloud contributed nearly 57% of Adobe’s revenue in the first nine months of 2017, and we estimate that the total addressable market for Adobe’s creative products stood at 21 million users in 2017. We also estimate that the TAM will grow to close to 25 million by the end of our forecast period in 2024.

Besides better uses of company resources than on outdated products, both Apple and Microsoft are switching from 32 bit processing to 64 bit. Apple Mojave, for example, dropped support for older, 32 bit software. This includes many plug-ins we use, as well as drivers and other utilities. Don't change from (High) Sierra to Mojave without careful thought and research. Apple will continue to sign High Sierra, so that you have the option of switching back if things go south.

Mojave still runs 32bit applications. Next major MacOS will not.

FYI, under Mojave, Epson 3880 driver has a nasty bug when the 16bit check box is ON. P800 runs fine. Otherwise no other issues.

For some, reality sucks:

Increased Creative Cloud Adoption Can Drive Upside To Adobe's Valuation

Adobe stock has surged by over 77% in 2017 as its Creative Cloud services have seen robust adoption of late.

Increased Adoption Of Creative Cloud Can Boost Valuation By 30%

 

The Creative Cloud division makes up 54% of Adobe’s value, according to our estimates. The key drivers for this division are the Average Revenue per Subscriber and total Creative Software market. Creative Cloud contributed nearly 57% of Adobe’s revenue in the first nine months of 2017, and we estimate that the total addressable market for Adobe’s creative products stood at 21 million users in 2017. We also estimate that the TAM will grow to close to 25 million by the end of our forecast period in 2024.

 

then the better answer is dont buy their products, buy their stocks n leave their products for the suckers hooked on them like crack heads!

 

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then the better answer is dont buy their products, buy their stocks n leave their products for the suckers hooked on them like crack heads!

 

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You mean “rent” software, the nonessential mantra of the anti-Adobe group who incorrectly believe they can buy and own their software. They cannot. They can buy useage of the software after agreeing to the EULA they don’t read or understand.

What gave you that idea? You can continue to import images and even Quick Develop will still operate.

 

What happens to Lightroom after my membership ends?

Mike Pasini says:

July 11, 2014 at 9:53 am

Tom, can you confirm that the Library module is unaffected, allowing new imports to the Catalog and quick edits? TIA

 

Tom Hogarty says:

July 11, 2014 at 12:00 pm

Confirmed.

 

 

More so if you believe the FUD. :D

 

I stand corrected about the import.

So no issue continuing to use LR as a DAM or editing images with Quick Develop. Or Printing them. Or making slideshows. Or web gallery’s. For no cost. The evil Adobe could disable everything to force subscribers to pay but they don’t.

The horror, the horror...,

But yeah, f$*k Adobe!

My condolences that a loved one was killed by an Adobe product. :p

My condolences that you're such an Adobe fanboy. :p

A feature not a bug bud. Since Photoshop 1.07; 1990.

So no issue continuing to use LR as a DAM or editing images with Quick Develop. Or Printing them. Or making slideshows. Or web gallery’s. For no cost. The evil Adobe could disable everything to force subscribers to pay but they don’t.

The horror, the horror...,

 

First I never said Adobe was evil. For my use (and I suspect for many other amateurs) , which is sporadic and light, the subscription model is not cost effective.

 

And yes there is still a problem using LR as a DAM.

 

Consider the following (for RAW images):

 

1) I take an image and import it into LR.

 

2) I edit the RAW file in another editor as a RAW file. Like Lightroom, the other editor makes no changes to the RAW file; it records the changes in either its catalog/database or writes them to a sidecar file. Those changes will never show up in Lightroom - at least as the program stands now. Even if I re-import the RAW file the edits will not be reflected in LR. There are various cumbersome workarounds that involve generating TIFF or JPG files in the other editors and importing the TIFF or JPG, but they are cumbersome and eat disk space (and backup disk space).

 

Of course LR as a DAM would still work for TIFF and JPG files edited in another program.

First I never said Adobe was evil.

The comment wasn’t directed specifically at you. The correction was. Again, this idea of being held hostage based on the facts of what one can and cannot do with respect to LR is rubbish considering what Adobe could do to prior subscribers who stop subscribing.

1) I take an image and import it into LR.

 

2) I edit the RAW file in another editor as a RAW file. Like Lightroom, the other editor makes no changes to the RAW file; it records the changes in either its catalog/database or writes them to a sidecar file. Those changes will never show up in Lightroom - at least as the program stands now.

That will never change; the other raw converter's editing instructions are proprietary. If the other editor has a DAM, fine. If not, then this isn't an issue per se with Lightroom. You've decided you wish to use another editor; DAM or otherwise. Forget the free DAM you now have in LR by ceasing your subscription. Edit in C1, Iridient Developer or ANY other 3rd party raw converter that doesn't also supply it's own DAM. The 'issue' you propose above remains. IF you want a DAM and a raw editor, they have to be from the same software company hence, there's LR for that. Or not.

 

LR and ACR can share edits because the edits are not proprietary to both of them and understood by both of those products. One can bounce back and forth between them because the proprietary edits are equally understood. That simply isn't the case with any converter outside the Adobe environment. Nor can other 3rd party editors understand edits it didn't create, edits that are proprietary to Adobe.

 

So your scenario doesn't really wash if you understand how raw converters operate with or without a DAM. The beauty of LR is it is both a DAM and a raw converter. Among many other things. Any DAM that doesn't have it's own raw processing converter will not understand anyone else's raw edits. It is only a DAM.

got dam!

 

i couldnt resist.

got dam!

 

i couldnt resist.

Even a little self control can save you a lot of time, energy and errors.- unknown