hussain_al_lawati

Hi all

After Nikon released its beast, the D850, and Sony released the A9, the question comes: is it worth it to think about the Canon 5d IV or no (as a person wanting a camera upgrade)?

I am an intermediate level photographer (not a blind beginner nor a pro) and i've been a Canon shooter for more than 5 years and I love their ergonomics. Now, when thinking to grab a new Full Frame body, I think of the 3 beasts: A9, D850, 5DIV. Lets keep the A9 aside since its lenses are not affordable to me $!.

I shoot events, sports and studio mostly, and landscapes and sometimes family pictures. I need the camera to have good ISO capabilities in low light.

Obviously, the D850 with a grip beats the IV with extra 2 fps (for action photography), but for studio work

i think there will be no noticeable difference. I won't need the extra megapixles in the D850 since i won't print my pictures larger than A3 (correct my if i am wrong and they will be useful in cropping pics). I have read a lot of reviews and comparisons and all said both cameras' focus is amazingly fast, but regarding the DR and ISO in low light, some went to the IV and some to the D850.

Now, am really in confusion what to get. I really love canon ergonomics and i am used to their system. Either i get the d850 and get all Nikon glass, or stick to canon and get the 5div with its glass and wait for a new camera for canon after 5 years that will hopefully beat Nikon and offer better pixel count and fps rate.

This purchase will be critical to me since i have just one full frame canon lens (50 1.4) and by this purchase i will get a 70-200 and something wide 24-105 or 24-70 so i should take a wise decision.

I'd look for a pre-owned Mk IV, if it has to be one. - I just spotted a nice offer on eBay for 2K6 Euro vs. 3K4 German retail price. - Maybe some cool rich folks are jumping ship to the D850?

I'm not sure how low you could go with your 2nd FF body. - 6D? or 5D Mk. III? I'd plan something like that in the long run or ASAP.

For starting out, I'd try to get the wide lens first. I suppose it will earn your bread and produce the huge prints?

The core of a wedding are shots of the couple or groups. Headshots with flash across the room might be possible with your current long zoom? I guess they 'll be appreciated but unlikely to sell as huge prints? (I'm not in that business.)

Skipping the Canon 70-200 leaves enough money to get a 24-105/4 IS + 35/2 IS for really low light & a Tokina 100/2.8, to be paired with your 50 mm, to get started with studio work or to do formals and engagement sessions.

Unfortunately, i dont prefer getting my cameras and lenses online since i live in oman and the shipping costs are highly expensive.

Thank u for the good lens suggestions. Noted them

I am also thinking about the D850, as a pirmary camera instead of the 5div.

TBH i love canon and their ergonomics. But since i have only one canon full frame lens (50 1.4) i can easily shift to nikon. this change will be critical because i will be getting expensive lenses for either brand that will last with me for YEARS!

Now, am really in confusion what to get. Its obvious that the d850 beats the 5div for sports photography, and for studio work i think there will be no noticable difference.

Either i get the d850 and get all nikon glass, or stick to canon and get the 5div with its glass and wait for a new camera for canon after 5 years.

Your suggestions will help me alot, thanks in adv advance!

Grabbing the other body is faster than changing back and forth all the time.

I agree. But if I consider another body i would look for another semi-pro dslr or mirrorless that will cost a lot and be above budget!

The 5D Mark IV would be an excellent choice for a camera body. It has a great focusing system and improved ISO, especially not having the strange banding pattern when pulling things out of the shadows like older Canon bodies had. You will have no regrets if you can afford it. You didn't specify the brand of 70-200 f/2.8, I assume you are going for the Canon which is an excellent lens, but you could look at other brands such as Tamron and Sigma, I get excellent results with the Tamron 70-200mm, but Sigma has been coming out with some excellent lenses.

 

Also a 24-70mm f/2.8 Canon Mark I or II. The early version is still a solid lens with great build quality but the newer version has a slight edge. But either will do fine. You can pick up a used original version for around $800. These two lenses are a must for weddings and events to start in my opinion. You may want to consider adding a wide angle like the 17-40mm f/4 and perhaps a prime 85mm f/1.4 for portrait work Sigman came out with the 85mm f/1.4 art and I love it, amazing bokeh. But this isn't necessary to start out.

 

A couple other nice lenses to add to your bag down the road, a Sigma 150-600mm C or Sport for sports and wild life. A Canon 14mm f/2.8 ultra wide prime rocks for wide angle and landscape but this is not going to be a lens that will be missed, it is just nice to have when you have a situation where it is the perfect lens for a few unique shots. Also a fast 50mm f/1.4 or f/1.8mm. I have the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 and it creates a magical bokeh, much like the 85mm. I am also enjoying the Canon 40mm f/2.8 STM, just a very sharp lens at any f-stop and it is silent and great for video work too. It is a pancake lens and costs under $200.

 

But the 24-70mm and the 70-200mm are a must to start and should be enough to get started. It would be nice to add a few lenses though to give you more flexibility.

Sometimes a nice wide angle will allow you to get in on tight spots and is needed for some shots when the need is there, getting in front of the crowd that is blocking your subject and you are forced to be only a couple feet away from the subject because it is the only spot to get the shot.

 

You may want to consider adding a couple more speed speed-lights for off camera flash and some stands. A couple speed-lights high up on stands to light up a room and use one Speedlight on camera with bounce for indoor work works really nice especially for a reception.

 

Back to the Canon 5D Mark IV, it has two memory card slots, so you can write to both simultaneously so in the rare event you have a card go bad, you have a backup and you will be so glad you did. You never want to be the photographer that lost all the photos with a card crash.

 

Are you going to have a backup camera body? If you are the primary shooter, you really should have one.

 

Just my opinion. Other photographers opinions may vary.

Thank you Mark for your Reply

I am sorry i haven't checked the forum for too long, nor still bought any new camera. I just finished my last year in high school and was to busy.

Anyways,, coming back to our main topic

We will be at least two primary shooters so am not alone

Ofcourse the 150-600 is a future plan. as soon as i get comfortable with the new system i will grab one.

Go for option 2.

That 24-70 2.8 will come in time :)

and don't forget the 100 2.8 Lis macro, and something on the wide end..

Thank you

jdebever

ofcourse, a macro is needed :)

Hello everyone

Current Gear a canon 650d, with 18-55, 55-250, and 50 f1.4. Also i have two 430ex speedlites.

My main interests are in weddings/events photography, studio work, sports (a focal length of 200 to 250 on a full frame is enough for my need) and sometimes landscapes.

- I have kept in mind the "beast" 5d iv with a 70-200 2.8 and a 24-70, but unfortunately i can afford only the camera and one of the lenses at the current time.

- Another choice is to go for the mark 4 kit with 24-105, and add a 70-200 2.8. (

- One more option is to look for a lower camera such as the 6d or a crop body with both the 70-200 2.8 and the 24-70 (i dont prefer this option since i want to keep on with my new camera for almost 10 years.)

What u guys advise me to go for?

If i went for the mark 4 with a 70-200 f2.8, what other lens u advise of (a bit cheaper than the canon 24-70)?

Thanks in Advance

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<p ><a href="/photodb/user?user_id=5331729">David Stephens</a> <a href="/member-status-icons"><img title="Subscriber" src="/v3graphics/member-status-icons/sub8.gif" alt="" /><img title="Frequent poster" src="/v3graphics/member-status-icons/1roll.gif" alt="" /></a>, Aug 05, 2016; 12:27 p.m.</p>

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<p>Start with the EF 24-105mm f/4L IS and the EF 70-200mm f/4L IS and an EF 1.4x TC-III. The 5D3 will be superior to the 6D for birds and sports; otherwise, the 6D has slightly better high-ISO performance. For birds and sports, the 5D3's superior AF trumps the slight disadvantage at ISOs over 3200.<br>

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Shot taken with EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II, at 312mm, hand held, on 5DsR (click on image to go to Flickr and see full-screen):</p>

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<p>Dear David<br>

Thanks for the detailed information.<br>

I see that f/4 won't be enough in the (70-200 and 24-105) as i have tried using it in my events and football fields at night and missed lots of shots<br>

Dont you think"trying" a field and seeing if a have interest in it would cost me much more, because i will need to buy more lenses after my first purchase? Instead, what lenses you suggest that can help me with all those fields of photography?<br>

Thanking you</p>

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<p ><a href="/photodb/user?user_id=23754">Robin Smith</a><a href="/member-status-icons"><img title="Subscriber" src="/v3graphics/member-status-icons/sub10plus.gif" alt="" /><img title="Frequent poster" src="/v3graphics/member-status-icons/2rolls.gif" alt="" /></a>, Aug 05, 2016; 09:48 a.m.</p>

<p>The 6D is a better buy for general use in my opinion. You get equivalent, or ever so slightly better image quality than the 5DIII at a much keener price ($1000 less) in a smaller and lighter body (although the 5DIII has an extra 2 MP), However, if you really will be tracking fast moving objects (birds, sports) the 5DIII is the better option because its AF system is more sophisticated. Having said this, I take a lot of indoor sports and dance and I manage with the 6D just fine, but it would be better with the 5DIII. You should be aware that a new 5D is expected to be announced this month, so you may want to wait to see what is coming, although it will certainly cost >$3000.</p>

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<p>Dear Robin,<br>

Thank you for your response<br>

I think that the new 5D would be much more above the budget.</p>

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<p ><a href="/photodb/user?user_id=8711591">Dave Mockford</a> , Aug 05, 2016; 05:36 a.m.</p>

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<p>You say you are looking at a 60D, I guess you mean a 6D as the 60D is a crop sensor camera.</p>

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<p>Dear Dave,<br>

Yes, you are true. I mean the 6D</p>

<p>Thanks</p>

<p>Hello<br>

I am planning to upgrade to a full frame camera, 5dMKiii or 60D<br>

I photograph events, family, travel, birds, sports and some landscape. Low light capability is really important. My budget is around 6500 $<br>

Is the 5D really worth the extra money?</p>

<p>And for the lens<br>

I looked for the<br>

- Canon 70-200 f2.8 II <br>

- Canon 24-70 f 2.8 II (which might be above the budget)<br>

- Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 DI VC (I've read numerous reviews and found it is a better choice in respect to price and IS than the canon version)<br>

- Canon 28-300 <br>

- a sigma or tamron zoom lens of somewhere up to 500mm<br>

- you appreciated suggestions.<br>

- I can add a a 2x extender if i took the 70-200</p>

<p>Can you kindly give your opinions</p>