hussain_al_lawati

Thanks a lot Andrew!

Thank you <3

Am not sure if all of u are notified on the new post..

Welcome back everyone! I am really sorry for disappearing from the forum for more than a month; I had a severe injury that caused me to care on nothing. Now, am finally back again, but not as what I was before ;) Before the injury, I was leaning towards the D850, and once I recovered, I said : Come on I must end this up and finish this endless debate! I finally got the D850 last week, with a Nikkor 70-200 f2.8 (newest version) and a Nikkor 24-70 f2.8 non vr. Thankfully, Nikon's agent in my country (Oman) had the three beasts (camera and 2 lenses) in stock ! I can't be happier ! The camera is AMAZING, as are the lenses. The dynamic range and low light performance is insane! I have liked the controls much more than Canon's full frames. Thanks to you all guys for you faithful support in my decision. I really benefited from all of your valuable input, and it is really appreciated. LOL, you comments made me laugh alot xD "If he waits much longer, someone will buy one and rest it on his chest when he passes!" :) Don't worry, i've not gotten a camera last weekend xD BTW, you all contributed in making this thread a valuable source of knowledge and opinions for me and for everyone. The amount of details is amazing! Thanks for that! Finally, excuse me if I have used wrong grammar or vocab (am not a native speaker of english)

Get me the $$ and I will do so :)

Dieter Schaefer: "Looks like you are no closer to making a decision between the D850 and the 5DMKIV than you were before you started this thread." I agree "Moreover, from you first post I got the impression that you liked the Canon control layout better, now it seems that is not the case." The case is that, I am used to Canon control layout, ofcourse because i have been using it for years, but i dont see it better than Nikon controls. "I can't get a sense of what is and isn't important to you or whether anything of what has been mentioned by others has swayed you one way or another or is even important to you (for example, video)." TBH, the main concern making me overthink currently is the future, and the video :) For the future, its almost impossible to say what might happen. I am worried how Nikon's video would be. Would it be awful, or good but not excellant. (I won't do a lot of video, but some occasional video shoots.)

Andrew: As u said " I get that there's a lot of money resting on it and you want the best you can get, but it's like choosing between a Ferrari and a Lamborghini - they're very different, but owning either will make you happier than sitting around trying to make a decision." This best describes the current situation! Heimnrandt: I have not considered the 5Dsr because i see that 5ps isnt enough for my needs

Yes, I have made up my mind not to think about sony, and that made the decision much more easier! As you said, i also dont consider what i currently have as a "system" and for the "attachment to canon" its not a big deal!

I completely agree that i am overthinking! But I see this as a major big step in my photography life, and i should overthink, to choose a system that i am really convinced in, so that even if the grass looks greener at the other side of the fence, i should not care ;)

Agree. But by studying both companies' history/past, we could understand their visions and make up an idea what can come next (just some anticipations) Actually i don't count my situation as "switching brands". Its rather "entering to FF" since the investment i have is really minor and can be neglected.

Same here, the change between the 650d and 5d series in button layout is big, and it took me time to get used to it. TBH I liked the Nikon's D8xx button layout way more than the 5D series. I am not bothered about f1.2 lenses at all. And for sony, I have read and discussed tons, but am not convinced with sony. Thanks tho for mentioning it

Fortunately, all the lenses i have kept in mind are available with both manufacturers The thing that made me to ask "is the canon lens out stands its nikon counter part / or vice versa " is because when people talk (maybe in my photo community only ) they count the red line L-series as if it is something superior to other brands.

I have tried both. I was comfortable to both control-wise (and that is a big problem since it made the decision more tough!) One more concern is the lens performance. Will any of a Canon or Nikkor lens of same level (focal length and f/stop) outstand one another in a big manner? (thinking mainly about the 2407- and 70-200 both f2.8)

Completely Agree For me, it is not a matter of disliking something in canon. Its just a critical turning point in my photography life since its a big purchase, and its sequences will be with me for at least 10 years (think about lenses) I know that both cameras are beasts, but the issue is that I want something that will be better in future (as well as now) for my needs.

I still didn't make up my mind to any system. I posted this thread to hear new responses and thoughts. From all the search I have done for more than 2 months, I see that if the D850 had an EF mount and DPAF, I would blindly buy it!! But unfortunately that is not the case I wonder how D850's video capability is, is it not usable or usable, i.e poor or good?

Hi all. First of all, thanks to every one who reads and replies to this thread. You are highly appreciated. I am looking to upgrade to a full frame system with some marvelous lenses and that would be a serious purchase that would cost me around 7000 $ , so I believe I should wisely and carefully choose which system to go for, since it will last years with me, and mostly the lenses! I currently own a canon 650d (t4i) with two crop lenses, a canon 50mm f1.4 and 2 canon speedlites (for almost 5 years!) I shoot events, studio, fair amount of sports, family and travel, and some landscapes. I need a good low light performance. I further plan to enter the field of BIF, and macro. With the marvelous 5div and D850 in mind, it's difficult for me to choose among them. It's obvious that the Nikon out stands its counterpart at least on paper, but I am pretty accustomed to canon controls and ergonomics as I have used my friends' 5d iii at a fair rate, and I have a kind of 'emotional attachment' to canon bodies and lenses (thats not a big deal!). I have tried both systems (5diii and an aging D800) and it doesn't seem a big deal in switching systems since both are well ergonomically designed. Yeah .. then lenses. I plan to initially get native 70-200 2.8 and 24-70 2.8 along with the body, and after almost a year or less I would pick either a macro prime or something on the taller end; depending on the needs. The used market in my country is not so good, so I don't think I could buy new//sell old equipments and a good rate. Your responses are appreciated PS: Sorry if i have any grammar mistakes since am not a native speaker. Cheers, Lawati

When thinking about the D850 and the 5dIV (leaving the sony aside), Which body is preferable and why? keeping in mind that i have a canon 50mm 1.4 and am comfortable with its ergonomics and use (and kind of emotionally attached to the canon).

The thing that lets me stick to sony is their outstanding focus performance that i will need for sports (693-AF points, lock-on tracking, eye-detection) as well as the blackout free viewfinder. Otherwise I don't see big differences between the 3 bodies (correct me if i am mistaken, keeping in mind my uses are sports and events mainly)

Great Reply! Totally agreeing to what u said But in my case, I need high fps rate (for action shots) and good low light performance (for night sports and events) so a decent body will be essential. I really love canon and am comfortable with it. But the only full frame lens i own is the 50mm f1,4 so its not a big deal to change systems. I have tried a 5diii and an a7rii and both were great.

I will go for the native lens of the camera i will buy

Great! How does canon lenses work with metabones adapters on sony? (auto focus/speed)

I plan to begin with a 70-200 2.8, that will be useful for events, studio and will help in sports but not that much. 70-200 will be bought with the camera body. After 6 months or so, i plan to get something either wide (24-70 or 24-105) or a super telephoto (100-400)

Really Appreciated

Thanks for ur helpful reply When comparing a9's focus with the mark 4, are there noticable differences for sports or BIF?

Thanks everyone for ur responses But i have sum updates.. UPDATE TO OP I had a talk with my university's photographers community. Lots of them own the a7rii and advised me to go for it. They added that the max fps with a fast memory reaches to 9fps, that is 4 frames greater than the theoretical value I have read a lot reviews and comparison regarding the 4 beasts: 5div, d850, a9 and a7rii. Out of the 4, ofcourse the a9 is the best but will be too expensive when paired with Sony or Zeiss lenses. Other options remain the mark iv, d850 and the a7rii. I still can't decide between them, because I cant know which company will be superior in the next years.. Next day after the talk, Sony announced their a7riii with 42 mp - 10fps - and various awesome features. So i think the debte will be now "A7riii vs D850 vs 5DIV" What do u all say?