jeremy_dennis

<p>thats a great opinion you have there dennis, living in paranoia</p>

<p>The reason for the hearing is not because of the student or the RA, it is because of me standing up to the employee. The form is done on behalf of the person I wrote the email to. Like I and some of you have said, I could have just deleted the photos and said nothing but some things are worth something to me and worth fighting for. If I knew I was doing something wrong or illegal I wouldn't do it, it is common sense. The person who received the email got angry, and arranged for this meeting. They will probably be the most powerful person there, or perhaps even the only person there, so I can only sit there and take what she has to say since my email didn't go through.</p>

<p>Also I was not using a telephoto lens I believe. It was a 50mm 1.4 canon and I was testing the speed since it was at night. The zoom is not that large, but on my canon rebel t2i the image scales by 1.6 due to the sensor.</p>

<p>The situation was me inside a building in the common room, and me pointing my camera outside(like i said before :P).</p>

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<p>hello this is the author, i am in class now but i keep getting notifivations that you are replying to this thread. i just wanted to let you know that i have not abandoned this thread i have just been busy, so i will answer some of your questions soon</p>

<p>Hello George they did not curse at me, the only thing I can think of is that they actually disturbed my activity of taking photographs. They were simply walking, and I took a photo, and now somehow I am the one distrubing their walking? Yet its fine if they bother me at my dorm room and force me to delete my art. I am taking a photo class next semester.<br>

Leslie, sorry that you have adopted the generalization of photographers so easily.</p>

<p>John, I could show people my portfolio to allow people to see that I like to shoot photos of people, whether it be at concerts, events or just on the street. But apparently, it is much more convenient just to assume attributes on me, like Leslie has done. The reason I am defending myself is because people are creating a counter argument based on assumptions. I will not settle for being labeled a creep and moving on sorry to say. If it has a problem with having too much self respect, so be it. But I have contemplated about the meeting and have taken what others have said. Although I would like to defend myself and simply point out my good intentions, I can see that the RHA could simply take advantage of the situation, as she already has, and remove me from the school. I will just be obedient for my educations sake. </p>

 

<p>Thank you I will look at all your links. I did not know how to perform some of the things you had done but now that you provided methods of how to learn how I can do better</p>

<p>I will post new pics soon....so I suppose its better to fix blemishes and still see pours rather than just smoothing over the whole face</p>

<p>Hello like I said before, I was shooting photos of the parking lot outside of the dorm, I wasn't inside the dorm taking random peoples picture inside where privacy is expected.</p>

<p>The interesting thing about all of this is that after a male photographs a woman he doesn't know, in the public, he is automatically a pervert and creep. The scary thing is that the generalization is shameless.</p>

<p>Yea but, between me and the two girls and the RHA, this seems like an issue with opinions. If someone takes a photo of me, I may not care. If someone takes a photo of them, they may think a creepy pervert is taking their photo. Either way, being an a-hole for taking a photo isn't illegal, so there is no issue I can see :P</p>

<p>I can't do that 8-)</p>

<p>The reason for the clash is because I am discussing things from a law perspective and a few of the posters here are discussing from a morality perspective. The issue is that some people do not like to be photographed, but I just want to let them know that in public, they can be. I do not want it to represent performance art, but that is what it is becoming.</p>

<p>The conclusion that I want is that, although one side of the table believes it is immoral to photograph someone(i do not know why still, just 'cause,') i will be able to take photos in public. If you dont want to be photographed, go in privacy. I still do not think there is an issue with the law with this situation, so I am oblivious to the problem. I guess I am becoming a type of paparazzi, but of every day people--and I am not ashamed, as there is nothing to be ashamed of. Change the laws if you want me to stop, I believe.</p>

<p>Yes, I have told you I made a topic earlier also :P</p>

<p>My camera is important to me, and if I were cornered by people asking to delete the photo and I refused, what would happen?</p>

<p>Also I do not believe I have to apologize for my unorthodox lifestyle. Do I have to conform to the same beliefs and strategies as you? No, I do not, so respect that. If I were doing something illegal, that is another issue, but laws were made to protect everyone, even me.</p>

<p>Seems kinda strange that people on the street photography forum are telling me not to do it. The difference you are portraying, between me and you, is that I should have stayed where I was and confronted the issue. For my belongings safety, I decided not to.</p>

<p>Hello I am trying to find ways to use my camera productively, so recently I thought of doing some portraits and model photography. I got permission to use a photo studio which has a large soft light box and a bright light box with a white cover, along with other small strange lights. The background is a long white paper. It is a minimal setup.<br>

I am using a rebel T2i with a 50mm 1.4 lens with just the on camera flash. There is no remote shutter and I am using a tripod.<br>

This is one of the best shots I have taken, I believe.<br>

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeremynative/5554041907/<br>

I have only had one model so far, but I started recently. I was just contacted by another model. It is alright that I only have 2 models so far, because I asked them to do it for free and also they are signing model releases. I am also giving them the photos for free and doing some retouches, the image above was my attempt to retouch the image.</p>

<p>Now that the introduction is over, I would like to express my concerns.<br>

I am almost completely new, so I do not know what poses to ask of the model. So far, I have asked the model to stand there looking away, they have been asked to sit down, and at the end I asked them to jump in the air. Very horrible and boring, I know. I do not know what photographers do to imagine poses or how they express different emotions, and instruct the model to do that. Do you just look at model magazines and copy them?</p>

<p>Also I do not know if it is better to use flash. I only have the on camera flash so that may not even be worth using. I prefer fast shutter speeds and crisp images, and thought that flash would increase both of these.</p>

<p>I have a concern about making money also. I am just a student making a portfolio, so all of this is beneficial to me, but one model asked if I could make money and if she could have some if I do. Do some of you put photos on stock websites? Or sell them to companies? Just want to know so if another model asks I can have a better answer. I told my models that I am not concerned with money, but I would try to earn some if I could.</p>

<p>Do you use a crew for your photo shoots? For my first model, it was just me and her. It was awkward and I spent a lot of time moving my camera and lights. It would be nice to have someone controlling the lights but do not know if it is necessary.</p>

<p>How long do your photo shoots last? The one I did was about an hour, and I got 200 shots, about 4 of them good :P</p>

<p>Metering is another issue, I do not know what I should meter off of. I thought that a medium tone on the face is what I should lock my exposure on. I have spot metering selected also and always focus on the eyes.</p>

<p>I posted my photo and did retouches, is there anything you do not like?</p>

<p>What do you think of controlling light? In this school studio, I usually shoot during the day. There are ceiling windows that usually fill the room with blue/grey light. Would it be better to wait until night?</p>

<p>thank you I have another shoot with the same model soon, and the new client, so I can show my improvements</p>

<p>Hello thank you for your response. Hypothetically, not that it matters, but if someone were photographing me at night I may be suspicious as what they are doing it for, but to be scared or 'disturbed'? Also I do not like that there is gender discrimination. Because they are women, they have more rights to complain. You can see on my flickr account my other photography projects, these two incidents were highlighted by myself so I can figure out what to do better in the future, and if I am right or wrong in pursuing this.</p>

<p>Also I am not sure if Stony Brook University being a state school has anything to do with it being a public school, and therefore being a public domain.</p>

<p>I could have simply deleted the photos, and everyone just forgot about it, but instead I am fighting this so I can create awareness and progression for the future of this campus. I do not want to settle for being a creep and pervert just because I am a guy with a camera, I do not understand the generalization and association, and even with this specific situation, I was aiming outside and not in the dorm to stress the idea that I believe in privacy.</p>

<p>Hello again, i made a thread not too long ago about police trouble. I am not doing this on purpose, I am new to photography and trying to make the most of this.</p>

<p>I am bothered, confused, upset among other things, about a letter I received. I go to stony brook university in NY. What happened what I was bored in my dorm room, so I got my camera and went to a common room and started shooting pictures of scenes outside(the parking lot and side walk). Been there for a while taking shots of smokers, and I hear some people coming around the corner so I get ready for them by focusing the camera and locking the exposure. They come around the corner and I take 2 shots of them. They see me and start yelling at me, thinking im someone else. So, not wanting to deal with 2 obnoxious people[girls] i make my way to my room. they run up the stairs and find me unlocking my door, so i go in and close the door. they start knocking, so i just open it up. they want me to delete the photos. At the time, i believed that public photography, or street photography, was legal. I believe I have done nothing wrong. So i tell them i am not going to delete it, and they threaten me by telling me that they will get the resident adviser. so he comes and asks me to delete the photos. the photos are not even good, i dont know these two people, and so i just delete them in front of the RA guy.<br>

then i hear from the resident hall director about this and i say i have done nothing wrong. they say that i was disturbing the students by taking photos, and that was against the school rules. Over the phone we talk about it, and she says I did something wrong because I was disturbing them, she said I was being creepy, and brought up me being a guy and them being women. I was angry that not only my rights were being meddled with, but I was also being called a creep and pervert by one of the faculty members of my school. So I expressed my hostility towards how she is treating me, and I get a letter a week later:</p>

<p>http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeremynative/5554765064/sizes/l/in/photostream/</p>

<p>I do not know what to say. This is such a ridiculous issue, I just want to know what you guys think about this. I have neither disrupted any activities, nor have i published or posted any photos of the two women. I forgot all about it, until I received the letter above today.</p>

<p>This is not something that comes up often and nothing I really think of when it comes to art. You see people like TMV, or what ever, taking pictures of celebrities and posting them in magazines without permission and I thought you didn't need permission like the paparazzi. I wouldn't do something bad if I knew it was a bad thing. I am trying to learn now and ask questions here....the point of the whole discussion :P</p>

<p>Hello again, the person who was in the photo did not realize that I was taking it, so the only reason why they started the whole thing is because their friend saw it and recognized them. When that person called me, their phone was blocked, but when the police called me, their phone number was not blocked.</p>

<p>Also Barry, I have tried to find the laws behind using photos for my career. The problem is that I have found mixed opinions on what people think are facts and truth. All the sites that display the rights of using photos are unofficial and informal, so I cannot trust them completely. That is why it is difficult for me to understand this. The laws are not obvious also, I was only acting based on what I would do in their perspective.</p>

<p>The reason why I considered selling all my equipment is because I have recently started a project of manipulating photos to make posters. After this incident, I thought there was no possible way to make money since I am only interested in street photography. Now that I know you can manipulate photos and sell prints I am not discouraged anymore. I just had the impression that any use of a photo without model release forms were useless to me, which was a big deal :P</p>

<p>Now you're saying I need model releases to include the work in a portfolio? That is too bad...</p>

<p>I am so confused, but I believe I have got the answers I was looking for. The good thing is that I simply got a warning for my so called crime and wont do it again without model release 8-)</p>

<p>thanks for all the information I will keep posting here, very useful site 8-)</p>

<p>Sorry to say, but I forgot the name of the officer, but he told me his rank was lieutenant. He sounded professional and even said he was a photographer and understood my situation. The thing is, I argued with the person who was in the photo and I believed I was right, so I was happy to talk to an officer to straighten it out. I waited at the area I planned to meet at, but no one came. They thought it was such a non-issue that they simply called me, perhaps driving wasn't even worth it, but at the same time, they threatened to arrest me if I didn't take the fliers down :P</p>

<p>Sorry typos...</p>

<p>I am a college student trying to create a portfolio, so I posted these up in the art building at my school, which is Stony Brook University in New York. I thought that I could use the photo without consent since I am not making money off of it and I am not depicting the person negatively. I also attempted to blur the face but they still recognized them self(or a friend rather pointed it out).</p>

<p>Now I learned the hard way and won't do it again, but I am just wondering about ways I can make money or benefit from street art, without model release forms(although I will try when I can.)<br>

I would like to add that I did not know military photography was a bad thing. Perhaps taking photos of someone in their house or taking pictures of dead people at a funeral, but I do not see what is bad about war photography. I enjoy the PBS documentaries that show WW2 photographs so I was inspired by that.</p>

<p>This discussion is for legal and commercial issues, at least that's why I made the topic.</p>

<p>I am just a undergrad college student trying to figure out my career and figuring out ways I can be creative. I had no intent of being negative. I am simply naive in the whole business side of photography. I had a class that involved an assignment where you take strangers photographs, we develop them and print in a dark room, and share with the class. After that, I thought using strangers photos were alright.</p>

<p>So if I understand correctly, you can take stranger's portraits in public places, and make money with the prints you make, but you cant have them express an idea or advertise with the photo?</p>

<p>That is an interesting story and perspective. I am trying to sympathize with you, but could you answer something honestly? Why don't you want your picture posted in public? Personally, is it a financial thing? Or are you self conscious? I have had issues with taking peoples picture and they simply reply that they don't want their picture taken. I can only assume there is a specific conformism present if the prior excuses are not the source of the problem.</p>

<p>I take pictures of people because I believe they are all unique and interesting. The idea of portraying a stranger in a bad way has not appeared in my mind until the people bring it up, and I do not see the reason someone would practically do that. I am just wondering what causes your hostility to photos so perhaps I could convince people, in the future, to sign release forms or convince them to cooperate.<br /> Now I understand that him posting the pictures may be wrong because he has no model release form, but if he did, I would perhaps feel sympathy for him. I've just started photography, but because of my specific interest in genre, my public portfolio is so pathetically small due to not having model release forms. It seems like anything you can get is fair game, in a form of desperation.</p>

<p>Hello thank you for that link it is a great resource. I just have one last concern. I thoroughly enjoy candid public street photography, and although that is legal, I am wondering about my future and career in photography. I was thinking of my options situations I wouldn't need a release for.</p>

<p>I have read that sometimes publishers can rarely buy pictures that do not have release forms for. Also, if you photograph something that could prevent a crime, that does not require a release(slightly irrelevant though). If you shoot for the news, you do not need a release form to sell to them.</p>

<p>I was considering international or war photography. Not sure if all countries go by the same laws and the opportunities you could have photographing abroad.</p>

<p>Nature, landscape and object photography do not really interest me at all, so with my enlightenment of the laws behind photographing people and having a concern with a career, I was thinking of selling all my camera equipment. What is your experience with using release forms?</p>

<p>Thank you for that information, I have a relation to an area in the link you posted.</p>

<p>One section says<br>

A town justice sued an artist for creating an oil painting caricaturing him; the court found that the painting and its publication were artistic expressions that were entitled to First Amendment protection, and so was the publication of the justice’s name and photograph in conjunction with the caricature. <em>Altbach v. Kulon</em>, 754 N.Y.S.2d 709 (N.Y.A.D. 3 Dept. 2003).<br>

As an artist I usually like to manipulate photos. The artist mentioned above has a court case involving a caricature of a man they depicted. I was wondering if I were to manipulate a photograph in an artistic form, other than simply printing it, would count as artistic expression.</p>

<p>Thank you for your response, I am currently an undergrad student at Stony Brook University. I didn't actually talk to them face to face, they just called me because the person's photo I used tracked down my facebook and it had my phone number. I suppose they didn't think of it as such a big deal so just called.<br>

They said I could either remove the advertisements for me looking for a model or they could arrest me, so I just took them down.</p>